Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

I hope we keep kyle. I think the Panther's will make a run at him when the season is over. Especially if we make the playoffs. What he is doing this year with RG3 is something that many said couldn't be done in the NFL.

Playoffs....PLAYOFFS? Don't talk about Playoffs okay my impersonation is over.

Seriously though, I do not believe the skins will make the playoffs. I know we really only had one truly inept game against Pittsburgh, but i think the poor defense was finally exposed and it's hard to imagine winning many games like that, unless it is just an offensive shoot out that comes down to the last drive of the game, etc..

If we do get in the playoffs, we are going to need a lot of help, and we have to at least win all of our division games. My prediction this year is that we must be 9-7. I don't think 8-8 would do it, but we will see. If we can turn things around, who knows. But we are in a position now where we have to win 6 games, and the schedule gets rough here soon.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

See, what did I tell you Punch?

That was the last post i saw before my phone and electric went down. Too funny.


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by scowan

You know all this talk about Haslett, I am actually OK with our 3-4 set up, we have been pretty good against the run until this past week. Its the secondary that is playing like crap. That being said they probably need a change at Defensive coordinator. I mean you can't be last in the league verses the pass and think everything is OK. The NFL doesn't work that way. It very results oriented and if you don't get it done, changes happen and folks get fired.

I feel like a broken record but here i go again Teams dont run on us - not because they cant - but because they dont have to. Would you? I wouldnt - id pass till the cows came home. When teams do want to run on us they gash us.
Edit: even before this week. Look at yards per average against us to see the true picture. Not total yards unless you look at attempts too. Total yards can be very deceiving.

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[ForkLifter]

What I see developing here for Mike Shannahan is this: The defense obviously has issues, and would be a hell of a lot better without the injuries. The offense is average without Griffin, perhaps one of the best (top 5) in the NFL now with Griffin. The media is going to push this whole "its all RG3 and he's not getting any help" stuff down the throats of the rest of the team until resentment sets in. The media is going to create a rift in the locker room, Shannahan added to it with his post-game comments (he needs some help), so expect things to get worse as the season progresses. It going to be near impossible to improve that defense with the draft pick situation and the cap penalty.

Shannahan faces an uphill battle to keep his job after this season. One has to ask: Can't just about anyone be competitive with RG3 playing the way he is? The 3-4 defense experiment is a disaster, we never had the right personnel (Orakpo as a linebacker?? come on...), and there's little opportunity to improve.

[53Fan]

I found this interesting.
Rick Snider: At midpoint of his contract, Shanahan is a failure with Redskins | Mobile Washington Examiner

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I found this interesting.
Rick Snider: At midpoint of his contract, Shanahan is a failure with Redskins | Mobile Washington Examiner

Rick sounds like he posts on here. Hysterical and nicely devoid of rationality.

"Losing Brian Orakpo only accounts for so much."

Only mentioning Orakpo as a loss on the D?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I found this interesting.
Rick Snider: At midpoint of his contract, Shanahan is a failure with Redskins | Mobile Washington Examiner

All those annoying facts!! He lists wins and losses under Mike, then compares them to other "failed" coaches, and guess what? Shanahan's numbers are even worse...

But it's actually worse with Mike, because among all those coaches and all current coaches, Mike is the HC most responsible for his teams utter failure. He arguably has more control than any coach in pro football, so the results rest squarely on him.

Everything has a tipping point associated with it. My intuition is the tipping point among most Skins fans realizing this regime cannot succeed is just around the corner.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

All those annoying facts!! He lists wins and losses under Mike, then compares them to other "failed" coaches, and guess what? Shanahan's numbers are even worse...

But it's actually worse with Mike, because among all those coaches and all current coaches, Mike is the HC most responsible for his teams utter failure. He arguably has more control than any coach in pro football, so the results rest squarely on him.

Everything has a tipping point associated with it. My intuition is the tipping point among most Skins fans realizing this regime cannot succeed is just around the corner.

I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you

Isn't it the same with all of us

I like when a post or article lists the hard numbers, stuff I could research but don't want to spend time doing. The article has that plus a whole lot of opinion, but it's the hard numbers that should tell the real story.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I see, so now you pay attention to what the media has to say. When it suits you

[los panda]

i say it's time for the final solution.
fire everyone under snyder
deal w the cap penatlies and dead cap
trade all draft picks into future years
play scabs until there is no dead cap/cap penalties
should have at least 3 picks in each round by then
come back w a vengeance
simple.

[Chico23231]

^U couldnt be happier. Call you Gloat instead of Goat.

Hopefully its another loss this weekend Gloat?

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

^U couldnt be happier. Call you Gloat instead of Goat.

Hopefully its another loss this weekend Gloat?

Bomb the rest of the year, trade up for a 1st rounder!

Awwww yea.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

^U couldnt be happier. Call you Gloat instead of Goat.

Hopefully its another loss this weekend Gloat?

The thing is, I really hoped Mike would come in here and right the ship, albeit against my intuition. I think we all under-appreciated how monumental it was for Denver to kick Mike out. He was an institution, but ultimately everyone realized the game had passed him by or the success really was more about the stars aligning than Mike's coaching. I say it from convos with more Denver fans you can imagine, as I live out west and have tons of family and friends who live in Denver and/or are lifelong fans of the broncs.

But you can't gloss over real results. Mike has destroyed the defense, which has been an issue for him going back over a decade. Special teams are awful. Overall discipline and general preparedness is pathetic, and if that doesn't speak to leadership I don't know what does.

Sure, the offense can be fun to watch, and it still has some impressive stats.

It's classic Shanahan: a sadly incomplete team. We could win more games in a shitty division, or if pro football was in a funk and nobody really stood out. But neither is the case.

Somebody here said with RG3 we can expect to attract the best GM/coaching talent available. I think that's a pretty brilliant observation. Hopefully Snyder has already started his search for both...that's real optimism.

[sdskinsfan2001]

Simple answer to thread title - No!

He brought us RGIII, Alfmo, and Garcon. Garcon is a good player, and made big plays for us in the 1 real quarter he played for us, you can't control injuries. Our offense will be a top 10 offense for years to come, just gotta get get some secondary help and have better luck with injuries. Its apparent how important Rak Daddy and Carriker are to the success of this team. Hope Keenan Robinson is the guy to replace Fletcher soon. It takes time, lets give him the 5 years. I'm tired of new head coaches all the time.