Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Great? I'm an Allen fan, but if he's done great, what superlatives are left for Thomas dimitroff or Martin Matthew? Stupendous?

I'll give you a stupendous on Dimitroff. He found a stud QB and quality coach in hs first year and has continued to obtain quality talent over the course of five years to build a consistent winner.

Mayhew? eh. Jury's very much out on him. In his five year tenure (Hey, look at that, another five year term) his teams have are 20-47. They have had one winning season and appear to be taking a big step back this year.

But to clarfy - I think Allen has done a very good job at acquiring talent, a great job in accumulating draft picks and a stupendous job at removing the Cerrato stank at Redskins Park.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

There are lots of things to question. It is the unrelenting, complete and utter failure to credit anything that the organization has done right under MS/BA that is drawing ire.

Let me speak in the same language that has been leveled at me and see if it makes it easier for you to see why I find the posts blasting Shanahan so obnoxious:

If you can't see that this organization is in a better place than it was 3 years ago, then you are a moronic Cerrato apologist.

Not if you measure success in wins and losses JR. Our offense is much better and our defense is much worse. Our record is the same. I dont want to hear about injures they are a part of the game. I dont want to hear about personell or asst coaches because that was Shannys choice. Bottom line is next year or the year after if they arent a playoff team it isnt because fans didnt have faith. Only time is going to tell but looking at the state of the current team as a whole and how it performs as a whole - not an offense- well it is no better than three years ago. It is younger but not better.


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[SmootSmack]

Allen has completely revitalized the culture at Redskins Park. The organization from top to bottom is in a much better place than it was under Cerrato. And that's largely because of Allen.

I'm going to assume you mean Martin Mayhew. Love the guy but how great is he doing these days?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Think you missed the point.

The point was everybody wanted to bash MS for mcnabb and rex/beck. But nobody wants to give him credit for rg-3.
Well if any of those qb's won he would have gotten credit. None of them have won. Atleast not more than they have lost. So i ask again credit for what?


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[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The point was everybody wanted to bash MS for mcnabb and rex/beck. But nobody wants to give him credit for rg-3.
Well if any of those qb's won he would have gotten credit. None of them have won. Atleast not more than they have lost. So i ask again credit for what?


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The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.

RG3 and the offense aren't the problem. Your rants seems a little misdirected.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

The fact is, EVERYONE can see that RG3 is going to be an absolute lock of an elite QB. Shoot, he already is. If he can do this well in his rookie season, look out world. Our point is, even with RG3's stupendous games and performances, far and away better than even the most optimistic of redskins fans ever expected, we are still winning 33% of our games in year 3, are a week away from being 3-6 and almost out of the race in a weak NFC East. We have no depth in the secondary, and I really hope we keep winning the game of russian roulette with our Olines health. Getting off point a little, but here's the thing.

With the talent at QB, ANY coach could be 3-5. RG3 is making it VERY easy for Shanahan, and we are still not winning. We are in the cellar of the NFCE yet again, with the cowboys and the eagles both ripe for the taking. Mike Shanahans inability to take advantage of certain situations, and then blaming other people or injuries or whoever he wants to pin it on is wearing thin, especially when you currently hold one of the hottest, if not THE hottest weapon in the entire NFL. With RG3, I would say many coaches could be 5-3 or even 6-2 at this point, maybe even 7-1, RG3 has done that well. It takes a special kind of coach to have RG3, and still lose like we have been losing. And for the renowned Shanahan discipline, ummmm, what discipline? I can attribute 2 losses directly to horrible discipline, idiot penalties and lack of focus. And one on a kicker that HE himself brought in, yet another Shanahan signing, which blew up in his face. The guy makes questionable move after questionable move, keeps the skins in the cellar of the NFCE, yet he needs more time. Time to what? To tutor RG3? Gimme a break. Im tired of giving him a pass, ESPECIALLY now that he has his QB, and the team continues its march down Underperform Street.

Some of what you say is true. But RG3 is the most important piece to this franchise. Do you a la Jason Campbell him and bring in a new staff, and make him learn a new offense? Let him grow in this offense. Keep molding it around him. For the most part they've done a good job with him. Why change that? What I would do is completly strip Mike Shanahan of all personel decisions. Just let him coach the team and let the front office folks bring in the players.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Some of what you say is true. But RG3 is the most important piece to this franchise. Do you a la Jason Campbell him and bring in a new staff, and make him learn a new offense? Let him grow in this offense. Keep molding it around him. For the most part they've done a good job with him. Why change that? What I would do is completly strip Mike Shanahan of all personel decisions. Just let him coach the team and let the front office folks bring in the players.

Shanahan will never agree to that, nor will he agree to keeping his hands off the defense. This is the crux of the problem with him, it's all or nothing.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Some of what you say is true. But RG3 is the most important piece to this franchise. Do you a la Jason Campbell him and bring in a new staff, and make him learn a new offense? Let him grow in this offense. Keep molding it around him. For the most part they've done a good job with him. Why change that? What I would do is completly strip Mike Shanahan of all personel decisions. Just let him coach the team and let the front office folks bring in the players.

"We trained hard, but it seemed that every time we were beginning
to form up into teams, we would be reorganized. I was to learn later
in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing;
and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress
while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization."

Charlton Ogburn, Jr.

[natesurfn]

Monday morning I voted Shanahan should be fired, turns out it was all emotion. Overall I think he has brought in some good youth and turned over the roster nicely. RG3 is amazing although Shanahan can't get full credit for that, he would have taken Griff or Luck, either would have been good but it was a preety much can't miss situation.

McNabb was a mistake because, although most will disagree with me, I think JC had more to offer and was always just in a bad situation. Don't get me wrong I'm happy that we have the QB we do now, but man my life is going to be cut short 20 years just from being a Skins fan. I say next year we need to be 9-7 minimum or Shanahan is fired.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by natesurfn

Monday morning I voted Shanahan should be fired, turns out it was all emotion. Overall I think he has brought in some good youth and turned over the roster nicely. RG3 is amazing although Shanahan can't get full credit for that, he would have taken Griff or Luck, either would have been good but it was a preety much can't miss situation.

McNabb was a mistake because, although most will disagree with me, I think JC had more to offer and was always just in a bad situation. Don't get me wrong I'm happy that we have the QB we do now, but man my life is going to be cut short 20 years just from being a Skins fan. I say next year we need to be 9-7 minimum or Shanahan is fired.

I've decided the same, and there's a bit of irony. Mike stuck his nose up at JC and sniffed out three inferior QBs in McNabb, Rex and Beck instead.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I've decided the same, and there's a bit of irony. Mike stuck his nose up at JC and sniffed out three inferior QBs in McNabb, Rex and Beck instead.

Only one of those 3 were inferior to JC.(beck) The other two were upgrades over JC, which isn't saying much. The only time JC ever sniffed a playoff game was when he went down and a bum Todd Collins led the team into the wild card spot.


That said, I still did not like the trade for McNabb and I wanted Mike to bring in competition at the QB spot until he could draft his own.

[SmootSmack]

Way I read it, people (well at least one person) are saying Rex/Beck were part of a poorly run Mike/Kyle offense yet RG3 is somehow performing in spite of Mike/Kyle offense

[los panda]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Way I read it, people (well at least one person) are saying Rex/Beck were part of a poorly run Mike/Kyle offense yet RG3 is somehow performing in spite of Mike/Kyle offense

obviously they never saw rex run the 2 minute

[natesurfn]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Way I read it, people (well at least one person) are saying Rex/Beck were part of a poorly run Mike/Kyle offense yet RG3 is somehow performing in spite of Mike/Kyle offense

I wouldn't say inspite or the Shanahans because I think they are drawing up plays that work well with RG3. However, RG3 could probably thrive in almost any offense because of his intelligence and versatility.