Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The 49ers sucked, their talent did not. I listed all the talent on that team. Mike Singletary obviously was a poor coach. It still wasn't a "turn around" with a team with bottom of the barrel talent. We had Orakpo and old ass London Fletcher. You going to compare that with the list I put up the 49ers had?

No, the Lions haven't turned shit around man. Who's to say that 10-6 record last year was a fluke. They are sucking so far this year. Fact is, that Mike had a better record his first 2 years than did Schwartz, YET you are up here patting that guy on the back?

Schwartz was 8-24 his first two years. Mike was 11-21. Also, you talk about Detroit being the worst, did you not forget THEY BEAT US!!! Yeah, that little fun fact escaped your alternate reality didn't it.

This is mind boggling. It really is.

And J.S. has more talent in Detroit by far

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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

The 49ers sucked, their talent did not. I listed all the talent on that team. Mike Singletary obviously was a poor coach. It still wasn't a "turn around" with a team with bottom of the barrel talent. We had Orakpo and old ass London Fletcher. You going to compare that with the list I put up the 49ers had?

No, the Lions haven't turned shit around man. Who's to say that 10-6 record last year was a fluke. They are sucking so far this year. Fact is, that Mike had a better record his first 2 years than did Schwartz, YET you are up here patting that guy on the back?

Schwartz was 8-24 his first two years. Mike was 11-21. Also, you talk about Detroit being the worst, did you not forget THEY BEAT US!!! Yeah, that little fun fact escaped your alternate reality didn't it.

This is mind boggling. It really is.

The Lions were 0-16 (the
Worst) the YEAR BEFORE schwartz got there. His first year they beat us. So your memory is a tad foggy too. They ended that season winning four in a row. Than the next year 10-6.
Lets do the math. 0 wins. Hire scwartz. 10 wins in year TWO.
What is mind boggling is that in your alternate reality you make the case as to why this isnt a turnaround but MS in his third year is on the rite track at 3-5?
Really?


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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

His first year they beat us. So your memory is a tad foggy too. They ended that season winning four in a row. Than the next year 10-6.
Lets do the math. 0 wins. Hire scwartz. 10 wins in year TWO.
What is mind boggling is that in your alternate reality you make the case as to why this isnt a turnaround but MS in his third year is on the rite track at 3-5?
Really?


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Are you high? I said they beat us and yet you sit there and say my memory is foggy?....lol WoW. This conversation is brutal and pretty useless to be honest with you. Listen one more time. You claimed the Lions were the worst in football. I pointed out it was basically that same team that beat us. We ended their losing streak. So if they were the worst and beat us, what the **** does that make us? It makes even worse than the worst.


Also. In regards to the underlined.


(thank you JR for this gem)

He was NOT 10-6 his second year. I posted the record of JS's tenure in Detroit and yet you still ****ed it up?... /facepalm

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Originally Posted by Skinzman

Our secondary has ALWAYS sucked...

Hall and Wilson were our corners last year. Our safeties were Landry and Atogwe. Landry was often injured so in reality, our safeties were Atogwe and Doughty. Are you honestly saying that D Hall and Wilson were probowl corners last year? That Atogwe and Doughty were world beaters at safety? We have always had a terrible secondary, yet we see teams passing twice as often this year than in the past few years. Why? Conservative game plans and play calling from the past few years.

Im not exactly sure what you see different in our defense this year. We switched two crappy safeties out with two other crappy safeties. Other than injuries, Its the same players and the same coaching.

Thanks for reading the rosters too me. Our secondary is far and away worse than last year and if you are going to tell me it isnt than this conversation is going to go into the land of false premise where people say whatever they want and pigs fly and that becomes exhausting.
ARE YOU REALLY going to sit there and tell me teams conservatively game planned against the Redskins? Completely healthy - good teams - with high powered offenses -coservatively gameplanned to beat us 14-10 because they didnt want to get hurt for no reason cus beck and rex couldnt beat them anyway? Does that sound as brilliant as it did when you wrote it down as it does when you read someone else writing it down for you?


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[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Thanks for reading the rosters too me. Our secondary is far and away worse than last year and if you are going to tell me it isnt than this conversation is going to go into the land of false premise where people say whatever they want and pigs fly and that becomes exhausting.
ARE YOU REALLY going to sit there and tell me teams conservatively game planned against the Redskins? Completely healthy - good teams - with high powered offenses -coservatively gameplanned to beat us 14-10 because they didnt want to get hurt for no reason cus beck and rex couldnt beat them anyway? Does that sound as brilliant as it did when you wrote it down as it does when you read someone else writing it down for you?


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Its far and away worse because teams are going for it this year. Had they gone for it last year, the defense would have been bottom 25 not high teens. Thats exactly what im saying. Our defense is the exact same except we switched out two safetys. One of which is still on the team and cant start over M. Williams.

Im surprised that you are claiming that a conservative game plan has never been tried in the entire history of the NFL. I guess pigs have been flying the whole time.

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Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

And J.S. has more talent in Detroit by far

In all fairness He inherited an 0-16 team so if he has more talent than its because they did a better job of amassing that talent. I mean ill listen to the "mike inherited a shitshow" argument and i agree with it. The lions were 0-16 - so this is one time i dont want to hear about Mikes mess.


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Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Are you high? I said they beat us and yet you sit there and say my memory is foggy?....lol WoW. This conversation is brutal and pretty useless to be honest with you. Listen one more time. You claimed the Lions were the worst in football. I pointed out it was basically that same team that beat us. We ended their losing streak. So if they were the worst and beat us, what the **** does that make us? It makes even worse than the worst.


Also. In regards to the underlined.


(thank you JR for this gem)

He was NOT 10-6 his second year. I posted the record of JS's tenure in Detroit and yet you still ****ed it up?... /facepalm

I dont care that they beat us. Its about detroit making a turnaround. To go from 0-16 to the playoffs a couple years later is a friggin turnaround no matter how you dance around it. Jeez.

Edit: there is a marked improvement for three years witj JS in Detroit. Also alot of it was without Stafford but Culpepoer etc at qb. How in the hell are you gonna sit there and say he did not turn the detroit lions franchise around How stubborn. My God. If i could facepalm on my iphone it would be inserted several times here.
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[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I dont care that they beat us. Its about detroit making a turnaround. To go from 0-16 to the playoffs a couple years later is a friggin turnaround no matter how you dance around it. Jeez.

Edit: there is a marked improvement for three years witj JS in Detroit. Also alot of it was without Stafford but Culpepoer etc at qb. How in the hell are you gonna sit there and say he did not turn the detroit lions franchise around How stubborn. My God. If i could facepalm on my iphone it would be inserted several times here.
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I think a lot of your facts are mixed up.

1) They made the playoffs in their 3rd year but had a lesser win % than Mike did his first two.

2) Culpepper wasn't there for much of that. He started 5 games in 2009. Stafford started 10 games in that same year. Also, Culpepper wasn't even on the team in 2010. Shaun Hill played most of 2010 when Stafford was injured. So your claim he did it much with Culpepper isn't correct whatsoever. Hell, even the claim he did it without MUCH of Stafford is false. Stafford played in 29 games out of 48 games during that span.


3) A turn around isn't having a good year and turning around and crapping the bed. They are currently 3-4. Does that sound like a team that has "turned it around"? They haven't even gotten to the core of their conference games yet, and and lost the 2 they have played. STill have GB to play twice, chicago once more and Vikings 1 more time. You think they come close to that 10-6 record of last year? Hell no.



If you think Jim Schartz has turned the Lions around, do you also think Tony Sparano turned Miami around?...lol After all they went 11-5 after the team won 1 game the year prior. Apparently this is your idea of turning it around.

When teams when consistently and are in the playoffs more often than not, then that would be what we call "turning it around". Other than that, it's fools gold.

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well in 2011, on average about 46% of an opponent's offensive plays were running plays. In 2012 it's around 36%.

In our 2011 losses, it was around 50%. 2012-41%

That tells just part of the story though because you'd probably need a quarter by quarter breakdown to get a stronger sense of just how passive/aggressive the opposing team's offense was

SS do you agree with the fact that the aggressive play calling could have something to do with the fact that my dog could pass for 300 yards against this current secondary and not so much to do with the fact that teams only try to score 13 points against teams with Rex at qb. That is one of thee most ridiculous arguments i have ever heard in my entire life.


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[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by punch it in

That is one of thee most ridiculous arguments i have ever heard in my entire

Really? I think it seems pretty rational to me that a team's aggressiveness is tied to how many points their opponents have scored or are capable of scoring.

[SmootSmack]

I think if you believe the opponent is incapable of scoring quickly and in bunches you may have a different offensive gameplan than you might if you think they are capable.

[CultBrennan59]

This thread has gone on too long. Mods can we please close this?

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

This thread has gone on too long. Mods can we please close this?

Well, like I said before, we would but some would accuse of us shutting down opposing thought (even though, contrary to belief, not all the mods agree with each other amongst ourselves).

I keep trying to just let this thread die..but it's like a phoenix

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I keep trying to just let this thread die..but it's like a phoenix

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, like I said before, we would but some would accuse of us shutting down opposing thought (even though, contrary to belief, not all the mods agree with each other amongst ourselves).

I keep trying to just let this thread die..but it's like a phoenix

You can do it...you have the technology.