Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

Are you watching the same team I am? What talent?

If you truly believe this team to have no talent, it's a bigger indictment of the regime than I make. Do you realize this?

Where we lack talent offensively is at RT. The sputtering offense is a direct result of really, really poor coaching. We are totally predictable at this point. The other big issue is whether our pass catchers continue to trust the Shanahans. Mike/Kyle's inability or refusal to spread the field and create space for our pass-catchers, thereby constantly putting them in the position to get destroyed at the point of the catch, is the most bizarre thing I've seen for a long time in pro football. It's weirder than the Tebow nonsense, but because it only involves a couple coaches nobody takes serious there just isn't a lot of attention given.

Defensively, this group as it stands today could be middle of the pack. Not great, certainly not elite. But middle of the pack. Poor scheme (the 3-4), poor play-calling and really poor adjustments are the difference.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by The Goat

If you truly believe this team to have no talent, it's a bigger indictment of the regime than I make. Do you realize this?

Where we lack talent offensively is at RT. The sputtering offense is a direct result of really, really poor coaching. We are totally predictable at this point. The other big issue is whether our pass catchers continue to trust the Shanahans. Mike/Kyle's inability or refusal to spread the field and create space for our pass-catchers, thereby constantly putting them in the position to get destroyed at the point of the catch, is the most bizarre thing I've seen for a long time in pro football. It's weirder than the Tebow nonsense, but because it only involves a couple coaches nobody takes serious there just isn't a lot of attention given.

Defensively, this group as it stands today could be middle of the pack. Not great, certainly not elite. But middle of the pack. Poor scheme (the 3-4), poor play-calling and really poor adjustments are the difference.

Goat we lack talent in several areas...RT, WR, D-line, LB, and the entire secondary...oh yeah, the coaching sucks. This is 4-6 win talent. Name any of our players that are top 5 at their position? Maybe Trent Williams and that's probably it.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by The Goat

With Mike coaching or in the FO this franchise will never produce a competitive team. In fact, I don't think Mike will ever have a winning season as HC again.

We are arguably the worst coached team in pro football. It's so sad and disappointing to see the talent we have go to waste week in week out.

Agree 100%. Shanny and the whole pathetic crew are gone after the season.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Agree 100%. Shanny and the whole pathetic crew are gone after the season.

Wow, never figured you for a "Fire the whole damn lot of em" type of guy. Welcome to the club!!!!!!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Is there another coach who would have this team in the playoffs with the same defense, coaching staff, injuries?

No

He chose the staff, he chose the defense. Every team has injuries.


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Considering they won 2 games the year Culpepper was there, he didn't win ANY with Culpepper. Again with your facts. Even with Shaun Hill, he went a measley 6-10. Improvement eh?...lol

Also, last time I checked, 60% > 40%. When you say he did much of it without Stafford, it's pretty apparent you are saying he turned the tide with a shit QB for a majority of that time. Fact is, he was 2-11 and 6-10. The 3rd year he was 10-6 with Stafford. Those 2 years aren't near as bad as Mikes. Also, what is your excuse for his 3-4 season this year? What happend to that "turn around" in Detroit?


Is that what you want? Have one good year than go back to being shit again? Really? Is that your idea of a turn around? Still didn't get your answer on Tony Sparano. Think he turned the Dolphins around?

Theres that were losing alot because were doing it the rite way and building a dynasty. Lol.
Philbin seems to be doing a pretty good job with the dolphins. Wtf do you keep asking about sporano for? He wasnt one of the guys mentioned in the original post about turn it around coaches. You must have a reason though and im sure whatever that reason is will mean that the skins are on the rite track so go ahead with it?


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Is there another coach who would have this team in the playoffs with the same defense, coaching staff, injuries?

No

Chico in the post game thread you were killing the "Shanny regime". And i quote , "just another game in the Shanny regime-" - than you said something about how him and the staff and whole team is terrible. Why are you now defending him?


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[Bushead]

This thread has giving me many headaches this week. Each time I log in, it's still at the top.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Bushead

This thread has giving me many headaches this week. Each time I log in, it's still at the top.

Ditto.

This thread has gone on longer than a game day thread. So like the game day threads, we should close it immediately and make the Ho Ho Haslett has to go thread be our main fire coaches thread. Just the want to fire Shanahan shows how impatient as a fanbase we are. Can you imagine if our team was the Raiders or Lions or Chiefs how pissed off we'd be...

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Ditto.

This thread has gone on longer than a game day thread. So like the game day threads, we should close it immediately and make the Ho Ho Haslett has to go thread be our main fire coaches thread. Just the want to fire Shanahan shows how impatient as a fanbase we are. Can you imagine if our team was the Raiders or Lions or Chiefs how pissed off we'd be...

That is the quote of the week. Usually gameday threads are limited to the day of the game, but hey, who cares, right? As long as its got some good old lets fire Mike Shanahan in it, me punch Gtripp and goat will post in there day or night. AND YOU WILL LIKE IT.

[JoeRedskin]

I am with the mods. Let it stay. As Smoot has pointed out, closing it will only cause another one just like it to spring up after a loss. Besides, it gives the seven "Fire Shanny Now" guys a place to vent and tell the rest of us how moronic we are. For me, there hasn't been anything new said in the last few pages that hasn't been said six or seven different ways before (on both sides of the issue). Folks stopped listening to each other a looonnnggg time ago in this thread.

If we lose today (which I: (1) sincerely hope doesn't happen; and (2) think unlikely), expect the thread to explode all over again.

No back to your regularly scheduled bashing.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I am with the mods. Let it stay. As Smoot has pointed out, closing it will only cause another one just like it to spring up after a loss. Besides, it gives the seven "Fire Shanny Now" guys a place to vent and tell the rest of us how moronic we are. For me, there hasn't been anything new said in the last few pages that hasn't been said six or seven different ways before (on both sides of the issue). Folks stopped listening to each other a looonnnggg time ago in this thread.

If we lose today (which I: (1) sincerely hope doesn't happen; and (2) think unlikely), expect the thread to explode all over again.

No back to your regularly scheduled bashing.

It's really just six guys as I voted yes for a good laugh

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

It's really just six guys as I voted yes for a good laugh

The funny thing is I don't feel like those of us who see the Shanahan era for what it really is are ahead of the curve so to speak. The results are so obvious, the poor coaching so flagrant, I think this is a rare phenomenon where you have people becoming fans of a person over a team. Sort of like a cult of personality in political/historical terms.

But there's plenty of mystery to go around. Mike shows nothing on or off the field to engender, let alone deserve, a cult of personality. What I'm really starting to wonder is if the cult mentality exists outside TWP, or if most fans elsewhere are seeing things clearly already?

It's tough for me to gauge cuz there just aren't a lot of Skins fans out west.

[skins89moss]

No we should not fire Mike Shanahan , in fact he should get a extention. This shows that as a organization we are commited to our coach and no more revolving doors of coaches. The 2 most important postions of a football team are the HC and QB. Thats why we have be terrible over the last 20 years. To many HC and QB changes, this most stop if we want to have any chance to be competing in the playoffs. Mike , just like Obama has to clean up this shit show that has been going on for 20 plus years. You have to give him time to get it done. Why make a change now after we get our QB. As far as our defense we need to make some changes on that side of the ball this off season. I still like the 3-4 defense we just need more pass rushers and better safeties. Wth a better pass rush our CB would cover better. Also injuries have not helped the defense. So no way should we fire Mike. Get the F out of here if you even think we should.

[punch it in]

The funny thing is that i dont think any of the doubters have said fire him mid season have they? Most are agreeing at the least that he finish the year. Others are even giving him next year. Its more just about a hatred for the praise and recognition he gets because they dont go hand in hand with the w's he gets. This is true for several years now - with Denver as well - so the entire "he inherited a bunch of crap" excuse doesnt really hold any water. He was losing there too. We all want continuity and we all want him to win. Since 2006 his best season is 9-7.
I say we keep this thread should stay open for five years. Give it the same chance that we are giving Shanahan.


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