Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[SkinzWin]

I can't believe people are asking for Shanny's pink slip already. Look at the Browns. Have they made bad decisions to led to their streak of sub-mediocrity? Sure. But what else is going against them? Any time they get a coach, they get fired and start from scratch with a new scheme. Look at the best teams consistently in the league. They build from the ground up, with a consistent focus and scheme that doesn't change from year to year. Everyone is always looking for the next "great coach" when things don't work out in the short term. Well who is to say the next hire will be any more competent than the one that was just fired? And all you have accomplished by doing that if they new hire is not successful is blowing up any continuity the team had.

This team has been bad for a long time, with a ton of terrible personnel decisions by Cerrato. We aren't going to turn things around with a snap of the fingers folks. Shanahan has a winning pedigree, he just needs time to get the building blocks in place. Our defense is atrocious this year. That will obviously be addressed this off season. We have had a lot of injuries and have not had the depth to replace them, again due to poor personnel decisions of the past leaving huge holes in our roster. Everyone needs to chill the heck out and pull for the team to get pulled together, not pulled apart.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I can't believe people are asking for Shanny's pink slip already. Look at the Browns. Have they made bad decisions to led to their streak of sub-mediocrity? Sure. But what else is going against them? Any time they get a coach, they get fired and start from scratch with a new scheme. Look at the best teams consistently in the league. They build from the ground up, with a consistent focus and scheme that doesn't change from year to year. Everyone is always looking for the next "great coach" when things don't work out in the short term. Well who is to say the next hire will be any more competent than the one that was just fired? And all you have accomplished by doing that if they new hire is not successful is blowing up any continuity the team had.

This team has been bad for a long time, with a ton of terrible personnel decisions by Cerrato. We aren't going to turn things around with a snap of the fingers folks. Shanahan has a winning pedigree, he just needs time to get the building blocks in place. Our defense is atrocious this year. That will obviously be addressed this off season. We have had a lot of injuries and have not had the depth to replace them, again due to poor personnel decisions of the past leaving huge holes in our roster. Everyone needs to chill the heck out and pull for the team to get pulled together, not pulled apart.

December 2010 called, it wants its argument back.

[skinsfaninok]

Parcells led the cowboys to the playoffs with Quincy Carter at qb

[skinsfan69]

As bad as Haslett is we don't have any players. The player/personel Mike Shanahan is going to be his downfall more so than Jim Haslett. I don't think he survives this. Losing to Carolina at home with the tough part of the schedule coming up....we're looking at possibly having a 3-5 win season. The Rams could possibly have a top 3 pick next year from the Redskins.

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As bad as Haslett is we don't have any players. The player/personel Mike Shanahan is going to be his downfall more so than Jim Haslett. I don't think he survives this. Losing to Carolina at home with the tough part of the schedule coming up....we're looking at possibly having a 3-5 win season. The Rams could possibly have a top 3 pick next year from the Redskins.

Agreed. Bruce Allen sunk the Bucs and got Gruden fired. He's gonna send another quality coach to the TV booth. How long has WR and the secondary been an issue here? And he still can't improve them?

[whistler]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

As bad as Haslett is we don't have any players. The player/personel Mike Shanahan is going to be his downfall more so than Jim Haslett. I don't think he survives this. Losing to Carolina at home with the tough part of the schedule coming up....we're looking at possibly having a 3-5 win season. The Rams could possibly have a top 3 pick next year from the Redskins.

The Shanahans have been here for three years, each year the skns start the season winning the first 3 of 5 games then the game tape gets looked at and the opposing defenses catch on and the year goes the hell.
This indicates that the talent isn't as good as it should be, and the coaches DO NOT ADJUST. The arrogance not to adjust is a failing of the entire staff. The lack of an ability to overcome scheme is a talent issue, the lack of flexibility is a function of the coaches. On both accounts Shanahan is the problem.
What reasonable coach will stick to his 20 play script well into the second quarter, because it takes that long to run 20 palys? If a team is 3 and out 3 times (see Rams game) it's time to throw the script away!

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Jayroc24

SS, I am curious, who? I now feel there needs to be a change.

The below rant is my feelings after todays game.

After todays game and seeing the play calling and the performance of the players I do think it is time for a (Coaching) change. I can handle the Rookie QB making mistakes, not the veterans. The guys are to slow and missing assignments. This is a direct reflection of the coaching staff and the FO. At some point all jobs are held to be accountable. Coach Shannahan is not getting it done, and play calling is absolutely pathetic and getting worse. I understand that the team has had injuries, but so does all the other teams that seem to find away to find away to win. We just get worse, the Redskins are going for a 6 to 7 win season, which agian is where we have been for last 15- 20 years. I know that we are all getting sick of this.

Thoughts?

I think If you want to wager on that 7 wins you should inbox me.


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[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

I think If you want to wager on that 7 wins you should inbox me.


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Told u we weren't a playoff team

[SmootSmack]

This "he's not a serious coach" argument is such weak shit. What the **** does that even mean?

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This "he's not a serious coach" argument is such weak shit. What the **** does that even mean?

If your drunk enough.. You can actually come to these threads for good laughs. That's what I do.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This "he's not a serious coach" argument is such weak shit. What the **** does that even mean?

A serious coach gives you chance at winning any given football game. Notice I didn't say every game. I didn't say a playoff game. I didn't say the Superbowl. Simply, any given football game. I look at it as the most basic level of legitimacy for an HC, can you metaphysically put together a win.

With Mike, the answer is no far too often. Part of the story is what he forced in terms of defense. Part of the story is who he brought in to coach with him. And part of the story is what happens on gameday.

In some games a combination of players, luck and a few decent play-calls makes a win possible, but there are games where Mike Shanahan, for the reasons above, makes winning a metaphysical impossibility. It's why giving him another year or ten is nonsensical. When you're losing because of your coach, you need a new coach.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I'd love gruden but he ain't leaving ESPN

I love him too but i would be torn - he is greAt on espn.


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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

For those that say a coaching change would hurt us..

Look at TB, Indianapolis, Miami

I think it is fair to say the "doubters" are going to have to get a bigger wagon


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[Evilgrin]

Shanahan seems to have a good track record with offensive talent?

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

Shanahan seems to have a good track record with offensive talent?

Yes. Shanahan is deserving of a RB scout position, or maybe overall offensive player scout position. But he shouldn't be in any position to make personnel decisions.