Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[GTripp0012]

I didn't really have a problem with what Shanahan said. I thought it was self-serving, sure (it usually is), but I didn't have a problem with him saying it.

[jdc65]

I do believe that Shanahan should be given the full year, but I also believe the handwriting is on the wall. Have to let the year play out, and if the team can manage 7 wins or more, then he should return. Having said that, I don't see this team getting to 7, and Snyder would be able to fire Shanny with minimal backlash.

This team is all about Griffin now, and his growth and satisfaction with the organization is of paramount importance going forward. Snyder is going to sit down with Robert in a fancy restaurant somewhere late in the season, and some frank discussions will take place. Like it or not, that's just how it is, and I am ok with it.

I don't believe that Mike would ever relinquish front office control at this point in his life, and I don't think he can win with total decision making authority. Snyder will then be able to make the move, and justify it.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by jdc65

Having said that, I don't see this team getting to 7, and Snyder would be able to fire Shanny with minimal backlash.

This team is all about Griffin now, and his growth and satisfaction with the organization is of paramount importance going forward. Snyder is going to sit down with Robert in a fancy restaurant somewhere late in the season, and some frank discussions will take place.

If you find out where exactly let me, GTripp, Mechanix, Goat, Alvin Walton, Slingin Sammy, and Okie know where so we can get a table near by and talk really loud.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by punch it in

If you find out where exactly let me, GTripp, Mechanix, Goat, Alvin Walton, Slingin Sammy, and Okie know where so we can get a table near by and talk really loud.

Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.

Thats right, its the fans fault.
Lets ged rid of the fans.
Then we can make this a My Little Pony forum instead of football.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.

Do you even like the Redskins?

[jdc65]

Originally Posted by punch it in

If you find out where exactly let me, GTripp, Mechanix, Goat, Alvin Walton, Slingin Sammy, and Okie know where so we can get a table near by and talk really loud.

Well, I don't know if Snyder will have a sit down with Griffin, but if he is even considering a possible HC change, he should at least get some feed back from RG before doing so. In other words, firing Shanahan if Griffin is 100% behind him would be a huge mistake in my opinion.

I think they would sit down and have a general discussion about life in DC, and Robert's overall thoughts about his first year. And then guage his impression of where the team is and where it is heading. Robert is the future here, Shanahan may or may not be.

It is common knowledge that Turner is still coaching because Rivers publicly and privately championed his return. Irsay said that he had sought Peyton's input to maintain continuity in Indy when Dungy retired. Jones did seek Romo's endorsement of Garrett before hiring him as HC, though that turned out to be a mistake. Certainly Kraft isn't discussing Belichick's future with Brady, but it's a good bet they do meet privately and talk about whatever is on Tom's mind.

It's just a smart business practice to keep your main guy happy, and communication is the best way to do it.

[CultBrennan59]

Mike Shanahans defense from 95-08:

95: 15th
96: 4th (Made playoffs)
97: 5th (won super bowl)
98: 11th(won super bowl)
99: 7th
00: 24th (made playoffs)
01: 8th
02: 6th
03: 4th (Made playoffs)
04: 4th (made playoffs)
05: 15th (made playoffs)
06: 14th
07: 19th
08: 29th

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Yeah, that's exactly what this organization needs.. Listen to you crazies again. Reason why this team is in the boat it is now is because you were the poison that would pay so much for tickets to see Albert Haynesworth and Jason Taylor in Redskin Uniforms.

You have been a Redskin fan for five minutes rite?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Well said bro. Typical Redskins fan wants us to bring in another coach every 3 years like it's going to fix this culture. The culture is we don't keep HC long enough to truly change this shit show. Just like this country we go into a recession and we think 4 years later after the shit show it would be smelling like roses. Just saying stay the course it will get better if we have faith in SHANNY to fix this.

Dont get confused with that longevity nonsense. So if us "typical" redskins fans had faith in the likes of Steve Spurrier or Jim Zorn or even Gibbs 2.0 would we have been better served? Again - its not the change that hurts us its the wrong decisions. Eventually we will get it rite. Thought we finally did with Shanny but now I dont. Just because he sticks around doesnt mean we will get better.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Dont get confused with that longevity nonsense. So if us "typical" redskins fans had faith in the likes of Steve Spurrier or Jim Zorn or even Gibbs 2.0 would we have been better served? Again - its not the change that hurts us its the wrong decisions. Eventually we will get it rite. Thought we finally did with Shanny but now I dont. Just because he sticks around doesnt mean we will get better.

That's what everyone is forgetting, Mike is in his 3 rd season as a HC for us and nothing has changed besides the phenom that is RG3, I give Mike props for the way they have groomed Griffin but he's the type of QB that can make it in any system. Other than griff this team is an embarrassment, people complain about the lack of talent but isn't that part of Mike's fault??

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

That's what everyone is forgetting, Mike is in his 3 rd season as a HC for us and nothing has changed besides the phenom that is RG3, I give Mike props for the way they have groomed Griffin but he's the type of QB that can make it in any system. Other than griff this team is an embarrassment, people complain about the lack of talent but isn't that part of Mike's fault??

Nope. Ask Bucket. If you bought a Jason Taylor jersey it is all your fault.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Nope. Ask Bucket. If you bought a Jason Taylor jersey it is all your fault.

Now who's being sarcastic?

Truth hurts.. Iv'e said it before. Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500. That's the type of fan base we have here in Redskins Nation. He was doomed from the start, and never had a chance. Since the day he was hired people were making threads about

"Why not Bill Cowher?"
"Should of got Gruden"

etc
etc

I know everyone can't be happy, and Shanahan said it best in today's presser, and I qoute..

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

People talk like 2.5 years is a long time to turn a franchise around. Those same people are the SAME ones who wanted Gabbert, and the media included call the coaches/front office last year while Rex/Beck lost many games. Now, we are a young team with still below average depth who is injury riddled and most of Redskins Nation blames Shanahan for that too. Like he was walking around smashing players with hammers to put them on the IR.

People compare to other franchises, and don't realize that every franchise goes a different direction, plays different teams, and picks different players. We are not Green Bay, and we may NEVER be Green Bay or the Giants. Our franchise is not in the shape that those were when they suffered injuries.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now. The man didn't LIE to anyone.. He didn't promise wins since day one. He didn't come in to the office and promise us Super Bowls in 2.5 years. He said he needed 5 years, and when we brought him in to bring in HIS system, and his style of coaching then we allowed him and said we UNDERSTOOD what state this team is in, and now as fans we are shitting and pissing in his face while not supporting him because you can't accept and handle the losses that have to come before the wins.

I'm giving the man his 5 years... I accepted his word that it would take that long at least.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Now who's being sarcastic?

Truth hurts.. Iv'e said it before. Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500. That's the type of fan base we have here in Redskins Nation. He was doomed from the start, and never had a chance. Since the day he was hired people were making threads about

"Why not Bill Cowher?"
"Should of got Gruden"

etc
etc

I know everyone can't be happy, and Shanahan said it best in today's presser, and I qoute..

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

People talk like 2.5 years is a long time to turn a franchise around. Those same people are the SAME ones who wanted Gabbert, and the media included call the coaches/front office last year while Rex/Beck lost many games. Now, we are a young team with still below average depth who is injury riddled and most of Redskins Nation blames Shanahan for that too. Like he was walking around smashing players with hammers to put them on the IR.

People compare to other franchises, and don't realize that every franchise goes a different direction, plays different teams, and picks different players. We are not Green Bay, and we may NEVER be Green Bay or the Giants. Our franchise is not in the shape that those were when they suffered injuries.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now. The man didn't LIE to anyone.. He didn't promise wins since day one. He didn't come in to the office and promise us Super Bowls in 2.5 years. He said he needed 5 years, and when we brought him in to bring in HIS system, and his style of coaching then we allowed him and said we UNDERSTOOD what state this team is in, and now as fans we are shitting and pissing in his face while not supporting him because you can't accept and handle the losses that have to come before the wins.

I'm giving the man his 5 years... I accepted his word that it would take that long at least.

I am so tired of people bringing excuses that Mike Shanahan says to use in his defense.

If anything, he is making the haters point for him. He is blaming everyone else, and buying more time (5 years, again, bullshit). He is almost like Obama, who keeps blaming Bush. Enough already, and do something for yourself, or please crawl away somewhere with your non accountable ass.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500.

Most fans here, including the ones in this thread that support letting Shanny go, aren't expecting the "Indy 500", but in 3 1/2 years with a supportive owner you should be at least in the middle of the pack with a clear path on what needs to be done to get to the front within a year or two. Right now we've got RG3, a bunch of "player evaluations", no discipline/accountability from anyone, and a 6-10 record at best.

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

Didn't see the presser, but if this is what Shanny said, another reason to dump this clown at the end of the season. He sounds like my 19 yr. old when he's done something @ss stupid, then makes excuses for his stupidity.

Man the F up, the guy is getting paid $ 7M / yr.

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

Then why do teams like the Pats, Steelers, Giants, reload and not rebuild? They have bright folks running the organization who empower smart hard-working guys to do their homework and then they listen to them. They also have great coaching staffs. How is Indy 5-3, is Luck that much better than RG3 (no)? Tampa is playing well, Vikes too. The 49ers were a wreck before Harbaugh, now they're one of the league's best.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now.

No, hiring decisions by Snyder (outside of Gibbs 2.0) are the reason we are where we are. Some his fault (keeping Vinny too long, Zorn in over his head), this one with Shanny not his fault. Shanny just isn't getting it done.

Let me ask you this, what do you see (other than RG3) that gives you hope MS will have the franchise on the right track by the end of next year?