Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

If Gibbs was still coaching, there would have been no Jim Zorn. No Shanahan. No Bruce Allen and Vinny would still be here unless Snyder just so happened to get rid of him. Todd Collins went on to play terribly for the Bears and Campbell is on his second team since leaving the Redskins. At some point Gibbs would have to be smart and take a hard look at the Rothliesburgers, Rivers, E. Manning, and begin to realize that drafting a QB high and starting him right away would be the best course of action.

He wouldn't be able to do that because he pissed all his draft picks away. Aging old vets or to move up into a draft before he even knows who'll be on the board. He is a HUGE reason we are in the mess we are in today.

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I think the real question should be, why did Mike agree to coach this team knowing that it was in total shambles and needed a major overhaul?


My biggest gripe with Shanny from day one is that he didn't declare it a rebuild, and traded valuable picks for a aging QB and broken down LT. Why not just suck it up, keep JC and bring in Rex to battle for the spot, and build through the draft and FA. Just hold tight until a QB could be drafted (like this year) and roll from there.

However, I had read some answer from his initial interviews when he first got here and KNEW it was going to take more than 3 years to clean out the old aging vets, and get young talent. When the said he told his son Kyle not to come that this place was a mess. It says a whole lot.

“I’m the one that told Kyle not to come,” he said. ”I said, ‘This is going to be a work in progress. It’s not going to happen over night. And you were on an established team. You’ve got your ducks in order.’”

So again, why in the hell did he take this "trap" of a job? I assume it's because he had a huge chip on his shoulder to prove people wrong. He may have bit off more than he could chew with this mess we had. I firmly believe you don't correct 20 years of horrible culture and mismanagement with 2-1/2 years. It's not going to happen.

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GTripp - I too am excited to become the 2004-2008 Denver Broncos. May we have at least as much success as they did (I took that from the old thread when Shanny was hired)

Its good to know GTripps pessimism is straight as an arrow, he might be Miss Cleo in disguise. I was excited about Shanahan. Now I obviously am not.

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Nope

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t jax

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Its not Smoot. Im surprised. Ok.
Darrion Scott.

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Can we stop with the guessing and get back on topic? Thanks.

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Sure.
Yes he should be fired.
Can we guess again now?

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I nailed it anyway. It is definitely Darrion Scott. Just waiting for SS to confirm.

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Lavar Arrington

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Ade Jimoh

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Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

The one thing about Gibbs is that he would have young QBs sit while a veteran started the whole season. He did it with Mark Rypien, Stan Humpries, Jay Schroeder, and with Jason Campbell. I'm not even sure if Gibbs would have drafted RG3 as he's never taken a QB higher than 25th overall in a NFL draft.

But since today's NFL is different than the one during his first tenure perhaps Gibbs would have drafted RG3 and started him right away.

Not to mention that those other qb's didnt exactly show that they were ready to play as soon as RG-3. I mean we did not have Joe Montana starting already but they werent Steve Young either.

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Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

Joe Gibbs started Campbell in 2006 essentially because the season was over, and to give in to a fan base that wanted to believe Mark Brunell was the problem even though he really wasn't.

Consider that at the times Gibbs resigned in 2008, he did make mention that he would have held a QB compeition between Todd Collins and JC had he stayed as coach. I believe Gibbs knew that Campbell was not the answer deep down. Joe preferred veteran QB's because throughout his tenure as head coach it was always the veterans who performed well, played smart, and didn't make mistakes that cost the team...

Also when you have hall of famers all over the field and several pro bowl players on top of that you can get away with "plugging in" qb's. This team now is a far cry from that collection of talent. God - Bethard and Gibbs were just a lethal combination of know how.

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Also when you have hall of famers all over the field and several pro bowl players on top of that you can get away with "plugging in" qb's. This team now is a far cry from that collection of talent. God - Bethard and Gibbs were just a lethal combination of know how.

Yes I agree completley. But Gibbs just always found a way to make those "old" veteran QB's work.

Looking at Joe Gibbs II, it was just magical how he got his old QB's to play so well:

Mark Brunell 2005 season: at 35 years old, had his best season as a pro. 23 TD's, 10 INT's, 3,050 yards. Brunell was very resurgant and was very dangerous once again up until he hurt his legs in December of 2005.

Todd Collins: 36 years old in 2007, he had a great season even though it was for 4 games and about 1000 yards, but he did throw 5 TD's and 0 INTs, makes you wonder what he could have done if he had the whole 2007 season and beyond.

Man i miss the good old days!

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Originally Posted by punch it in

Also when you have hall of famers all over the field and several pro bowl players on top of that you can get away with "plugging in" qb's. This team now is a far cry from that collection of talent. God - Bethard and Gibbs were just a lethal combination of know how.

Edit: I miss lethal combinations of know how.