Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[skinsfaninok]

Let's just finish a season without any drama for once... Oh wait the redskins can't do that.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Let's just finish a season without any drama for once... Oh wait the redskins can't do that.

This is hard to do when you have seven starters out for the year with injuries. This is also hard to do when your secondary can't stop anyone in the NFL from attaining long gains through the air. This is also hard to do when your head coach insists perpetually that this team is better when it isn't. This is also hard to do when the offense keeps producing enough points to win games but yet your defense can't stop the opposing offense and ends up giving games away time and time again after the offense puts you in position for a win. This hard to do when the Redskins fans know in their hearts that the Redskins are just as good as any other NFL team but fails to show it. This is hard to do when you know the Redskins should be in the division lead and they're not.

[InsaneBoost]

Unfortunately no because Shanahan had to play with fire and get a huge cap hit. That's why next season will be no different than this year. AKA. Can his ass now. Get someone in here to put their scheme together, and go from there.

A big help for the 3-4 would stop bringing in 4-3 players to play a position they have no business in. Oh how much common sense would fix a fair amount of our problems. That's too easy for Shanahan though because he has to let his pride get in the way.

[Bucket]

Originally Posted by InsaneBoost

Unfortunately no because Shanahan had to play with fire and get a huge cap hit. That's why next season will be no different than this year. AKA. Can his ass now. Get someone in here to put their scheme together, and go from there.

A big help for the 3-4 would stop bringing in 4-3 players to play a position they have no business in. Oh how much common sense would fix a fair amount of our problems. That's too easy for Shanahan though because he has to let his pride get in the way.

Wait.. So you're saying it's Shanahan's fault we took a big cap hit, and that we should bring someone else in because he should of known better?

What players were brought in that can't handle the 3-4 at the moment? I'm just wondering if you actually believe what you are saying or even know what you are saying or maybe you're just shooting fireballs out of your ass.

You shouldn't listen to all the hear say and believe it. Shanahan needs to improve to stay here, but he's doing no worse if not better then what the Redskins are use to in the past 2 decades. Is that to say it's acceptable? No, it isn't but the players are young and I think it's to early to say.. Well, they are not going to mesh or do well.

This is what a revamped roster in two years of off season building looks like. I just think it's unfair to throw stones at a guy who came in on day one and said it would take 5 years to turn things around. He's in 2.5 at the moment..

Of course this is Washington and the Colts are 6-3, so we should be too. Right?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by InsaneBoost

Unfortunately no because Shanahan had to play with fire and get a huge cap hit. That's why next season will be no different than this year. AKA. Can his ass now. Get someone in here to put their scheme together, and go from there.

Don't blame Shanny for Vinny's mess. He was only cleaning up his garbage. Had he not done what he did, our cap would have been ****ed.


Also, I thought you were done with the Redskins?


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Just sold my tickets and parking to #Eagles fans. Hope they piss off the entire section while the Redskins get murdered.


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@NC_Skins23 I'm not anymore. Making the most of my money back and burning my box of Redskins "memorabilia."

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Don't blame Shanny for Vinny's mess. He was only cleaning up his garbage. Had he not done what he did, our cap would have been ****ed.

You do see the logical flaw in arguing that Shanahan/Allen acted in 2010 the way they did because they had no choice, and then not holding them accountable for the cap penalty, right?

Even if you believe that the NFL jumped its authority with the cap penalty, as I do, you still can't put it on anyone but the current regime. This could/would have been a past issue in 2010 if left to organic means.

Vinny's influence on the 2011 Redskins was less than 1/2 a percent. At this point, he's a completely negligible character in the teams current situation.

[InsaneBoost]

LOL Bowen isn't good at all.

[InsaneBoost]

He has full control doesn't he? Then yes, he's the reason. He has the final say and didn't stop anyone. Whether there's collusion involved or something more, the truth of the matter is, something was said and only us and a few others decided to test things.

Bowen and Cofield are two players who have no business being in the 3-4 IMO. I'm not even sure that they belong as backups. Ryan Kerrigan for the most part hasn't been all that impressive, nor has Jenkins who some argued could be a starter.

In the past 20 years, the Washington Redskins have been worse than 6-10 (Shanahan's best record) six times (one of which has happened under Shanahan, 5-11). Shanahan, if he's lucky, will end up 4-12 which will be one win better than the worst of 3-13, but that's not to say Shanahan can't go 3-13 this season.

I'll give him the first two years as they were the major parts of a rebuild, but for a man who claimed QB was really the last major missing piece, that sure has changed drastically. Yes injuries don't help, but you build with quality depth, something the Redskins lack in all compartments.

Hopefully the rookies can come through, but let's be honest, they need time to groom, they can't be thrown into the mix day one and expect to perform.

Not to mention using your teams strengths. Seems like they still fail to realize they need the offense to score in order to win. This is an offense who even without Garcon and Davis can put up at least 30+, yet the play calling keeps holding them back.

Should we be 6-3, I don't know, but we shouldn't be worse than teams like Minnesota, Tampa Bay and Indianapolis who are in their first and second year of rebuilds, meanwhile we should be just about finished with ours.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by InsaneBoost

He has full control doesn't he? Then yes, he's the reason. He has the final say and didn't stop anyone. Whether there's collusion involved or something more, the truth of the matter is, something was said and only us and a few others decided to test things.

Bowen and Cofield are two players who have no business being in the 3-4 IMO. I'm not even sure that they belong as backups. Ryan Kerrigan for the most part hasn't been all that impressive, nor has Jenkins who some argued could be a starter.

In the past 20 years, the Washington Redskins have been worse than 6-10 (Shanahan's best record) six times (one of which has happened under Shanahan, 5-11). Shanahan, if he's lucky, will end up 4-12 which will be one win better than the worst of 3-13, but that's not to say Shanahan can't go 3-13 this season.

I'll give him the first two years as they were the major parts of a rebuild, but for a man who claimed QB was really the last major missing piece, that sure has changed drastically. Yes injuries don't help, but you build with quality depth, something the Redskins lack in all compartments.

Hopefully the rookies can come through, but let's be honest, they need time to groom, they can't be thrown into the mix day one and expect to perform.

Not to mention using your teams strengths. Seems like they still fail to realize they need the offense to score in order to win. This is an offense who even without Garcon and Davis can put up at least 30+, yet the play calling keeps holding them back.

Should we be 6-3, I don't know, but we shouldn't be worse than teams like Minnesota, Tampa Bay and Indianapolis who are in their first and second year of rebuilds, meanwhile we should be just about finished with ours.

Bowen played in a 3-4 in Dallas before coming here. C'mon man.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by InsaneBoost

Bowen and Cofield are two players who have no business being in the 3-4 IMO. I'm not even sure that they belong as backups. Ryan Kerrigan for the most part hasn't been all that impressive, nor has Jenkins who some argued could be a starter.

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Bowen played in a 3-4 in Dallas before coming here. C'mon man.

Thank you Matty for point out his error. Bowen has played well for us. Cofield is definitely out of place, but still doing a hell of a job allowing LBs to make the tackles.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Bowen played in a 3-4 in Dallas before coming here. C'mon man.

He was not a starter during his tenure there, and if he was, I believe it was because he was a depth guy.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

He was not a starter during his tenure there, and if he was, I believe it was because he was a depth guy.

He was in the process of taking Marcus Spears job because he was playing better than he was. The only reason the Cowboys didn't resign him is due to salary cap issues.

[Meks]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Bowen played in a 3-4 in Dallas before coming here. C'mon man.

Doesn't mean he's good at it..... lol
jk i like Bowen personally

[SmootSmack]

Pains me to say it, but Tripp probably had a good point earlier in this thread. Either you move on from Shanahan now or you commit to him for more than the two years he's got remaining (and perhaps Kyle as well)

Because what's the point then of Mike publicly stating it's a 3 year process for Griff when he'll only be here 2 more years himself?

[htownskinfan]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;963021]Pains me to say it, but Tripp probably had a good point earlier in this thread. Either you move on from Shanahan now or you commit to him for more than the two years he's got remaining (and perhaps Kyle as well)

Because what's the point then of Mike publicly stating it's a 3 year process for Griff when he'll only be here 2 more years himself?[/QUOTE]

Did he say that? That just sounds like a coach trying to buy himself more time to me