Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[MTK]

Don't discourage a good witch hunt. Hatters gonna hatt every chance they get legit reason or not.

[53Fan]

I'm not sure Shanny would have used the picks wisely even if he had them back. I was one of those guys who kept wanting to build the o-line and getting a pass rushing DE who could actually pressure the QB and have to be accounted for. At one point I thought we could trade down..get an extra pick and get Aldon Smith. But I in no way regret trading up for RG3. It was always about getting a FQB with a lot of posters. Well I'm glad we waited for this one. Couldn't be happier about that. But we obviously didn't do much for the rest of the team before we got him. Trades for Jason Taylor and McNabb still make me sick every time I think about it. And as much as I respect Joe Gibbs.....giving up a third rounder for a RB we neither needed or even played for us..well....we've made plenty of stupid moves with draft choices.

[NC_Skins]

Man your stations!! We got us a witch to burn!!!

[REDSKINS4ever]

Wasted picks for McNabb, Jason Taylor. Also lets not forget about the wasted draft picks on Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly. Just imagine how solid we'd be if we'd drafted wisely and used those 3 2nd round picks and that 3rd rounder on the team instead of trading them away from nothing.

[GTripp0012]

I'm stunned -stunned- that shanahan made the exact same mistake three years in a row.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I'm stunned -stunned- that shanahan made the exact same mistake three years in a row.

Which one?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I concur. I was against the McNabb trade and on the fence with the Brown trade. It was pretty foolish. I knew McNabb was overrated and what talent he did have was gone. If you take back those picks we gave up, we could potentially have 3 starters (or depth) out of it.

I do give Mike a pass on the Parker/Johnson/Galloway signing though. Remember, it was the uncapped year with teams using tenders on all their restricted FAs so we had nothing to really work with.





At first I was for waiting till the end of the season, but after it was apparent the defensive squad had stopped responding to this man, I wanted him out during this bye week. The team that played against Atlanta isn't the same team that played against the Steelers and Panthers. It was very apparent. I still think Mike's biggest downfall could very well be his selection of a DC to run this defense. I realize Jim was option #2, but surely there were other people more qualified than Jim. He had a year to figure this out.




Ruhskin and a couple others talked about the penalties the other week and mentioned how it's a clear sign of a undisciplined team or lack of leadership. This falls on Mike. Plain and simple. Mike should have suspended Kyle and Dhall for their parts. After the Morgan bit, he should have dropped the hammer that anymore would result in sitting for a game. He didn't and it's continued.




I think Mike's ego is getting in the way of some of this. Instead of just correcting the mistake like he did with McNabb, he's going to let this defense thing fester until it's too late.

I personally think he will not succeed here, but he will have a good base built for the next guy to come and get all the credit for turning around. I hope I'm wrong.






He'll definitely be swimming uphill. Said the other day that I'm not even sure why he took this job knowing it was in the shape it was. Vinny's stench is still haunting this team via capgate. Mike is basically going to have to hit homeruns on all the draft picks this upcoming off-season. He also didn't do himself any favors with the poor FA moves/trades. (McNabb/Brown/Jackson/Meriweather/Morgan)







By all means, rant.

So NC - me gtripp goat and mechanix are fools for doubting Shanny but HTTR 24-7 is spot on?
Im confused.
Edit: not sure how u can agree with everything that HTTR 24-7 has said but than say he will leave a solid foundation for the next guy. Suddenly you say he will not succeed here - yet every post you have made says that he is succeeding here - you have said repeatedly he is on the rite track - did u mean the rite track to failure?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by punch it in

So NC - me gtripp goat and mechanix are fools for doubting Shanny but HTTR 24-7 is spot on?
Im confused.
Edit: not sure how u can agree with everything that HTTR 24-7 has said but than say he will leave a solid foundation for the next guy. Suddenly you say he will not succeed here - yet every post you have made says that he is succeeding here - you have said repeatedly he is on the rite track - did u mean the rite track to failure?

You see what you want to see. I've pointed out quite a few mistakes that Mike has made, yet they go unnoticed to you. Disagree with a point you Shanny haters make and all of a sudden you are a apologist.

I don't think he'll end up succeeding here because I believe his hole was too deep to start with, not because he's a has been or incapable. Couple that with some of mistakes (Haslett/McNabb/Brown) he made at the beginning and it may very well end up doing him in. That said, I'm not wanting him fired.


The difference between me and you guys is, you expect a complete turnaround within 3 years or fire the guy. It's the same mentality that Dan Snyder has, and the same mentality that has caused this franchise to be abysmal the past decade. None of you have still showed me where a person has taken a team as dreadful as ours, and turned it into a consistent contender. Key word here is consistent. I don't want one year of 11-5. I want 10+ wins on a consistent basis, with 10 being a "down" year.

You don't correct 15+ years of horrible mismanagement in 2-1/2 years. You also can't compare us to other people. Each situation is different, and what works for one franchise, may not work for us.

Also, you fail to take into consideration a multitude of factors.

1) Restricted free agency his first year here. Nobody worth a damn on market

2) Lockout. Shortened FA period coupled with a 36 million cap hit hours before FA starts.

3) Injuries to key players and starters. (not backups or scrubs)

4) Inherited one of the oldest teams in the NFL with absolutely NO depth or no youth.


That is what I call a decked stacked against you. Sure, you think some brilliant guy could have came in and done this with all this against him, but why do you think Gruden and many other coaches said no to us? Because it was a god awful situation and they KNEW they wouldn't be able to turn it around before fans like yourself started calling for their head. I'm still shocked Mike agreed to coach this garbage pale that Vinny and Gibbs left him.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You see what you want to see. I've pointed out quite a few mistakes that Mike has made, yet they go unnoticed to you. Disagree with a point you Shanny haters make and all of a sudden you are a apologist.I don't think he'll end up succeeding here because I believe his hole was too deep to start with, not because he's a has been or incapable. Couple that with some of mistakes (Haslett/McNabb/Brown) he made at the beginning and it may very well end up doing him in. That said, I'm not wanting him fired.


The difference between me and you guys is, you expect a complete turnaround within 3 years or fire the guy. It's the same mentality that Dan Snyder has, and the same mentality that has caused this franchise to be abysmal the past decade. None of you have still showed me where a person has taken a team as dreadful as ours, and turned it into a consistent contender. Key word here is consistent. I don't want one year of 11-5. I want 10+ wins on a consistent basis, with 10 being a "down" year.

You don't correct 15+ years of horrible mismanagement in 2-1/2 years. You also can't compare us to other people. Each situation is different, and what works for one franchise, may not work for us.

Also, you fail to take into consideration a multitude of factors.

1) Restricted free agency his first year here. Nobody worth a damn on market

2) Lockout. Shortened FA period coupled with a 36 million cap hit hours before FA starts.

3) Injuries to key players and starters. (not backups or scrubs)

4) Inherited one of the oldest teams in the NFL with absolutely NO depth or no youth.


That is what I call a decked stacked against you. Sure, you think some brilliant guy could have came in and done this with all this against him, but why do you think Gruden and many other coaches said no to us? Because it was a god awful situation and they KNEW they wouldn't be able to turn it around before fans like yourself started calling for their head. I'm still shocked Mike agreed to coach this garbage pale that Vinny and Gibbs left him.

Fair enough - I dont think any of us would argue that he inherited a shit show.
Funny how you are labeled a "hater" when you are displeased with the win total going down - nobody expected a complete turnaround, a superbowl, or deep playoff runs. We simple expected a better product than what we have at year three - and it sounds like you expected the same.

[los panda]

highway to hell

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Yeah.. Griffin would of already broken every record in the NFL, and thrown for 20 touchdowns if it wasn't for Shanahan

He wasnt being sarcastic. He is referring to inside info that we already had.

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Originally Posted by los panda

highway to hell

The road to nowhere.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by punch it in

The road to nowhere.

stairway to heaven

[los panda]

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Originally Posted by los panda

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