Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Reminds me of how Zorn was trying to learn the WCO and coach it at the same time.

The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

Prove it

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Prove it

The contracts of Cofield, Bowen, Merriwether, Garcon and Morgan together are greater than Haynesworth, no?

You can give Cofield the benefit of the doubt, which I do, and say he's out of position.

The rest is just blah. Guys that for one reason or another don't contribute much, but the overarching theme is we spent a wad of cash on high-risk/uncertain reward type players. Garcon and Morgan have done nothing in their careers up to this point to justify what they were given. I don't care that another franchise may have given them the same. How are those franchises doing btw? The Niners clearly let Morgan walk, and appear to be better off because of it, no?

In short, Mike's FA moves overall have been a gigantic failure, as were Cerrato's. It's the reaction (talking about fans here) that's been different, but again I don't suspect it will last much longer.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The contracts of Cofield, Bowen, Merriwether, Garcon and Morgan together are greater than Haynesworth, no?

You can give Cofield the benefit of the doubt, which I do, and say he's out of position.

The rest is just blah. Guys that for one reason or another don't contribute much, but the overarching theme is we spent a wad of cash on high-risk/uncertain reward type players. Garcon and Morgan have done nothing in their careers up to this point to justify what they were given. I don't care that another franchise may have given them the same. How are those franchises doing btw? The Niners clearly let Morgan walk, and appear to be better off because of it, no?

In short, Mike's FA moves overall have been a gigantic failure, as were Cerrato's. It's the reaction (talking about fans here) that's been different, but again I don't suspect it will last much longer.

bowen is an animal
i wouldn't say morgan is playing below his contract
meriweather just isn't playing
garcon isn't living up to his, but i don't fault him for that (this is the first time he has missed more than 2 games in a season)

[Coff]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.

Interesting thoughts, but I'm going to have to bring up some counterpoints.

Numbers 1 and 3 have been pretty consistent for every coaching staff since Richie Petibon.

As for number 2, that has actually been a frequent criticism of the current coaching staff. Every time the Skins fail to convert a third down, the Warpath is replete with people blaming Kyle Shanahan. But the biggest issue is that while the criticism is as common of Kyle and Dad Shanahan as it was with Zorn, at least the Shannys are actually scoring. The Skins right now are 6th and 7th in the league in PPG and YPG, and that's with a depleted receiving corp and a shaky-at-best offensive line.

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Coff

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

Well I agree with you. And since I'm a moderator, you're wise to agree with me.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Coff

Interesting thoughts, but I'm going to have to bring up some counterpoints.

Numbers 1 and 3 have been pretty consistent for every coaching staff since Richie Petibon.

As for number 2, that has actually been a frequent criticism of the current coaching staff. Every time the Skins fail to convert a third down, the Warpath is replete with people blaming Kyle Shanahan. But the biggest issue is that while the criticism is as common of Kyle and Dad Shanahan as it was with Zorn, at least the Shannys are actually scoring. The Skins right now are 6th and 7th in the league in PPG and YPG, and that's with a depleted receiving corp and a shaky-at-best offensive line.

I may stand with the minority opinion here, but I think the Shanahans should be lauded for the offense they have put in place for RGIII. One thing's for sure, McNabb's comments that they are intractable when it comes to adjusting schemes to players has been very clearly proven wrong.

Strong post. It's amazing that the server hasn't crashed due to such logical thinking.

[hail_2_da_skins]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The similarities between this regime and the Cerrato/Zorn regime (if you could call it that) are pretty mind-blowing.

1) Big FA signings that don't make sense, and don't have any impact. Cerrato/Zorn became infamous for Fat Albert. BA/Shanny, on the other hand, signed a handful of players that altogether add up to more than the Haynesworth contract, and have made even less impact. The difference being this regime is given a pass by most of the fan base, at least up to this point.

2) Bizarre play-calling and play-design, that some try to explain as genius now, whereas Zorn took a ton of shit for it.

3) Poor discipline and preparation, as evidenced in two games already where players just lost it (St. Louis and Pittsburgh).

They're eerily similar side by side, but again this regime is constantly given the benefit of the doubt despite results as poor as Zorn achieved.

You are wrong on every point except for the poor discipline.

1) What big name free agent signings are you referring to? The Skins signed mid-range free agents that addressed specific needs. No high priced, under performing, washed up bums.
2) The bizarre play calling is putting up big points and is exciting to watch.
3) The blowup by Dante Hall and Josh Morgan throwing the ball at the defender were the worst cases of poor discipline. Hall most likely will be fined and/or suspended.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by hail_2_da_skins

You are wrong on every point except for the poor discipline.

1) What big name free agent signings are you referring to? The Skins signed mid-range free agents that addressed specific needs. No high priced, under performing, washed up bums.
2) The bizarre play calling is putting up big points and is exciting to watch.
3) The blowup by Dante Hall and Josh Morgan throwing the ball at the defender were the worst cases of poor discipline. Hall most likely will be fined and/or suspended.

Well McNabb wasn't a FA....but he cost us a 3rd rd pick and it was pretty stupid. Not in hindsight either....that had dumbass written all over it the very day it happened.