Hey Ho, Haslett has to go! (or maybe not)

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

It's just wrong to say no fans missed Shanahan. I will say that people trusted Bowlen a lot more than anyone trusted Snyder, and so there was acceptance of his decision. I have family and friends in Colo, having lived and worked in Colo Springs for about 8 years in the late 1990's early 2000's and Shanahan's work on the offense was always respected. Sadly, his failings are about what we see now, an inability to have a strong defense, and consistent DC changes. In the throngs of the Josh McDaniels fiasco there was definitely a questioning of Shanahan's firing, but like anything in football, winning cures fans ills, and they latched on to Tebow, and now Peyton is certainly leading them well.

This is what I've been saying about Mike and his history proves it out. I think he's a good OC. Our o-line is playing better than expected...we have a rookie RB tearing up the league and we're scoring points out the ying yang. But...like Norv imo...being a good OC doesn't always make you a good HC. Why does hls teams always have trouble with becoming good on defense? It's an honest question. It was the same thing in Denver. Why? I read an article...Rich Campbell I think???...that was talking about the zero blitz and the author said to expect to see alot of it because Shanahan likes it. How much input does Mike have on defensive calls and is that why hls defenses are usually not very good and he goes through so many DC's? Do you know if he's more hands on his defenses than other HC's Smoot? I'm really just trying to figure out why this is so often the case with Mike. The Pats and Giants don't ALWAYS have great defenses but often they do. Seems like Mike never does.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

This is what I've been saying about Mike and his history proves it out. I think he's a good OC. Our o-line is playing better than expected...we have a rookie RB tearing up the league and we're scoring points out the ying yang. But...like Norv imo...being a good OC doesn't always make you a good HC. Why does hls teams always have trouble with becoming good on defense? It's an honest question. It was the same thing in Denver. Why? I read an article...Rich Campbell I think???...that was talking about the zero blitz and the author said to expect to see alot of it because Shanahan likes it. How much input does Mike have on defensive calls and is that why hls defenses are usually not very good and he goes through so many DC's? Do you know if he's more hands on his defenses than other HC's Smoot? I'm really just trying to figure out why this is so often the case with Mike. The Pats and Giants don't ALWAYS have great defenses but often they do. Seems like Mike never does.

Check his rankings. I bet you'll be surprised.

Denver Broncos Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Contrary to popular opinion, the Broncos didn't win all because of Elway.

They had a top 10 D 7 times under him.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Check his rankings. I bet you'll be surprised.

Denver Broncos Team Encyclopedia - Pro-Football-Reference.com

Contrary to popular opinion, the Broncos didn't win all because of Elway.

They had a top 10 D 7 times under him.

You're right Matty I was surprised. What else I find interesting is while Larry Coyer was DC from 2003-2006 his defenses were ranked 9-9-3-8 in points allowed but in the years without Coyer from the year 2000 the rankings are 23-21-15-28-30. Pretty bad. Don't know anything about Coyer but maybe Mike needs to bring him back. I'll admit I was wrong about Mike NEVER having a good defense. But without Coyer those were some pretty atrocious defenses.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

You're right Matty I was surprised. What else I find interesting is while Larry Coyer was DC from 2003-2006 his defenses were ranked 9-9-3-8 in points allowed but in the years without Coyer from the year 2000 the rankings are 23-21-15-28-30. Pretty bad. Don't know anything about Coyer but maybe Mike needs to bring him back. I'll admit I was wrong about Mike NEVER having a good defense. But without Coyer those were some pretty atrocious defenses.

Defense was solid in those SB years too.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Defense was solid in those SB years too.

95-17 96-7 97-6 98-8 99-11

Yes they were.