2013 NFL Draft Prospects

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Neither Thomas nor Poyer would be 2nd Round reaches. Since all three players are considered to be either 1st or 2nd Round talents by some evaluators, there probably isn't much difference between them. So I'd still take the FS Thomas or the CB Poyer instead of the SS Elam. I would personally prefer either Thomas or Poyer to Elam regardless of position.

Also, I don't believe that any team drafts BPA over need all the time, regardless of what they claim.

The Patriots draft based on need for their secondary, often reaching for players... and that is why their secondary still sucks besides Talib, who they did not draft. Most draft scouts have Elam as a late 1st to early second, I think Elam is significantly better than Thomas and Poyer and if he drops to the Redskins, they would be lucky to draft him. But only time will tell. Plus Strong Safety was not exactly a strength this season.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

This draft shows Phillip Thomas and Jordan Poyer still on the board when the Skins pick Elam. Since Elam projects as a SS....

I think Elam projects as well or better to FS then Phillip Thomas. This is shaping up to be deep as SAF.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think Elam projects as well or better to FS then Phillip Thomas. This is shaping up to be deep as SAF.

I think of Matt Elam more as a SS because he is such a great tackler and because he is 5-10.

Phillip Thomas, at 6-0, seems to be longer than Elam and he has exceptional ball skills. That's why I would prefer him at FS.

That said, I would gladly take either one of them.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

FS - Kenny Vaccaro, Phillip Thomas, David Amerson (I think he'll be a FS in the pros), Baccari Rambo, and Tony Jefferson.

SS - Matt Elam and Shawn Williams

I'm hopeful that we'll be able to draft one of these players.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Phillip Thomas, at 6-0, seems to be longer than Elam and he has exceptional ball skills. That's why I would prefer him at FS.

I don't have anything against Thomas, as I said I think both can play FS. When you watch them play in college Elam has played more center field single high Cover 1/3 FS and that is the traditional role of a 'true' FS in the NFL.
Thomas played more like a 'money' LB/NB that plays in the box and matches up 1-on-1 vs a TE, RB or Slot player.

That said, I would gladly take either one of them.

Agreed.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

I think Amerson has the skillset to be an NFL CB.
I like most of the S in the class tho. My favorite prospects are: Reid, Elam, Phillip Thomas, TJ McDonald, Swearinger, Duke Williams and Rashard Hall. I view those guys as making the easiest transition to NFL FS.
But I like these guys too: Vaccaro, Cyprien and Rambo but I view them more as SS types.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I think of Matt Elam more as a SS because he is such a great tackler and because he is 5-10.

Phillip Thomas, at 6-0, seems to be longer than Elam and he has exceptional ball skills. That's why I would prefer him at FS.

That said, I would gladly take either one of them.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

FS - Kenny Vaccaro, Phillip Thomas, David Amerson (I think he'll be a FS in the pros), Baccari Rambo, and Tony Jefferson.

SS - Matt Elam and Shawn Williams

I'm hopeful that we'll be able to draft one of these players.

I agree this safety class is deep. I love Cyrpien to add to your FS list. And a lot of scouts are high on JJ Wilcox, whom the skins have talked to already.

[musicmaster45]

For those who said draft Nick Florence, per rotoworld


Baylor QB Nick Florence will not pursue a career in the NFL.
"I've decided to hang up my cleats and finish my master’s in December," Florence said. "My wife and I have spent the last one and a half months talking about it, and it all came down to what we wanted in life, and it didn't include playing football." It is an interesting choice, since far worse players have retired before entering the NFL, but it is refreshing to see this kind of life choice made prior to the draft.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by musicmaster45

For those who said draft Nick Florence, per rotoworld


Baylor QB Nick Florence will not pursue a career in the NFL.
"I've decided to hang up my cleats and finish my master’s in December," Florence said. "My wife and I have spent the last one and a half months talking about it, and it all came down to what we wanted in life, and it didn't include playing football." It is an interesting choice, since far worse players have retired before entering the NFL, but it is refreshing to see this kind of life choice made prior to the draft.

Wow. I'm actually pretty shocked. He, I thought, had a future in the NFL holding Clipboards and occasionally play. I figured we could pick him up as a FA and see if he was worth keeping to develop behind RG3 just like at Baylor.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by musicmaster45

For those who said draft Nick Florence, per rotoworld


Baylor QB Nick Florence will not pursue a career in the NFL.
"I've decided to hang up my cleats and finish my master’s in December," Florence said. "My wife and I have spent the last one and a half months talking about it, and it all came down to what we wanted in life, and it didn't include playing football." It is an interesting choice, since far worse players have retired before entering the NFL, but it is refreshing to see this kind of life choice made prior to the draft.

I can't imagine any profession that can match the earning potential of a back-up QB in the NFL. Not to mention the networking opportunities in broadcasting. Strange/wrong decision imo.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I can't imagine any profession that can match the earning potential of a back-up QB in the NFL. Not to mention the networking opportunities in broadcasting. Strange/wrong decision imo.

Maybe he values being with his family on a regular basis instead of in the film room, weight room, trainer's room, bus, airplane and hotel all the time.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

Maybe he values being with his family on a regular basis instead of in the film room, weight room, trainer's room, bus, airplane and hotel all the time.

True that, maybe he is stable financially and used football to pay for school and dreamed of pursuing another career.

[CultBrennan59]

Washington Redskins Potential 2013 NFL Draft Radar: Sanders Commings | Bleacher Report

[diehardskin2982]

Morning Pixels: RGIII reaches out to Tyrann Mathieu

Reading Tea Leaves

[Gtothearry]

Originally Posted by diehardskin2982

Morning Pixels: RGIII reaches out to Tyrann Mathieu

Reading Tea Leaves

Unless he gets to the 6th round I'll pass on the tea leaves. He has headaches written all over him.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Gtothearry

Unless he gets to the 6th round I'll pass on the tea leaves. He has headaches written all over him.

They said the same about Vontaze Burfict and others. i will use a 3rd on him.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

They said the same about Vontaze Burfict and others. i will use a 3rd on him.

Vontaze had first round talent, Mathieu was not a first round prospect even before getting kicked off. He was a second round prospect that struggles in man to man, lacks elite speed and lacks size. But he should be available in the later rounds and would definitely be worth taking by then.