2013 NFL Draft Prospects

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Vontaze had first round talent, Mathieu was not a first round prospect even before getting kicked off. He was a second round prospect that struggles in man to man, lacks elite speed and lacks size. But he should be available in the later rounds and would definitely be worth taking by then.

You sure about not having first round talent? Again that was said about Brandon Flowers as well. Not many have elite speed, but I think 4.4 to 4.5 is fast enough for him.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

You sure about not having first round talent? Again that was said about Brandon Flowers as well. Not many have elite speed, but I think 4.4 to 4.5 is fast enough for him.

Except flowers excels with man coverage and yes I am sure, a lot of NFL analysts didnt have him as a first round prospect. Unlike Jenkins, burfict or othe players that had first round grades but dropped. I loved Jenkins and burfict coming out, but I don't think Matthieu is in the same ball park because he doesn't have the same NFL skills those players have. Still I like him in the later rounds. Not the third though.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Vontaze had first round talent, Mathieu was not a first round prospect even before getting kicked off. He was a second round prospect that struggles in man to man, lacks elite speed and lacks size. But he should be available in the later rounds and would definitely be worth taking by then.

Not sure I"m buying that. He wouldn't have went undrafted simply due to character concerns alone. Much of the concerns were about his football ability as well.

Mayock calls Vontaze Burfict a “non-draftable kid” | ProFootballTalk

NFL Network’s Mike Mayock doesn’t think there’s a whole lot left to talk about. He has Burfict rated as an undrafted free agent.

“I put his tape on with absolutely zero preconceived notions,” Mayock explained in a Thursday conference call with media. “I watched three tapes and really didn’t like him as a football player.

“I think he’s a non-draftable kid. For me, he’s a free agent.”

Mayock was probably one of the only few that graded him as undraftable. (on talent alone)


Now, whether Vontaze used that as motivation to be better is another story all together. We really don't know if he's going to sustain this or go back to being aloof with his career once he thinks he's made it.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not sure I"m buying that. He wouldn't have went undrafted simply due to character concerns alone. Much of the concerns were about his football ability as well.

Mayock calls Vontaze Burfict a “non-draftable kid” | ProFootballTalk





Mayock was probably one of the only few that graded him as undraftable. (on talent alone)


Now, whether Vontaze used that as motivation to be better is another story all together. We really don't know if he's going to sustain this or go back to being aloof with his career once he thinks he's made it.

In the beginning of the draft talk (around January) he was a first round talent by a lot of scouts. I remember a lot of mock drafts coming out and he would always be penciled in for the ravens pick which was 30th including kipers. Now as the draft process went along he fell and kept falling. Cause of the combine, questions of work ethic and on the field questions (like the most flags in the NCAA for unsportmans like conduct). It will be interesting to see but it seems he got in shape and I'm sure the bengals are happy to have him.

[T.O.Killa]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

They said the same about Vontaze Burfict and others. i will use a 3rd on him.

What about the guy from the Rams, almost won defensive rookie of the year. Some guys grow up.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by T.O.Killa

What about the guy from the Rams, almost won defensive rookie of the year. Some guys grow up.

Janoris Jenkins, some weed is what people are saying he shouldnt be touched unitl the 6th round for.

[Gtothearry]

Some weed could cost the Skins big time if Trent or Fred pick it up again.

[CultBrennan59]

Mathieu is the same heigh as antonie winfield. Its more so his weight that isn't NFL effective-a reported 178lbs. His speed is good. His stats are good. LSUs defense would use him in special packages to cover up his poor man coverage skills. Yes he did play man, but not as much as he played zone or blitzed.

I've said it before with mathieu, he can play. And if he can't play defense in the nfl, then the least he can do is be a great kick and punt returner. 3rd round is the earliest I'm going to get him.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Mathieu is the same heigh as antonie winfield. Its more so his weight that isn't NFL effective-a reported 178lbs. His speed is good. His stats are good. LSUs defense would use him in special packages to cover up his poor man coverage skills. Yes he did play man, but not as much as he played zone or blitzed.

I've said it before with mathieu, he can play. And if he can't play defense in the nfl, then the least he can do is be a great kick and punt returner. 3rd round is the earliest I'm going to get him.

Except Winfield has actual cover skills. Mathieu doesn't have good cover speed. What I mean by that is you see some defenders get beat but they recover but mathieu doesn't have that. Like I said you put him in space/blitz he will make plays but if you expect him to go against victor Cruz and play well. He will get beat often. Later rounds is probably where he will and should go.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Except Winfield has actual cover skills. Mathieu doesn't have good cover speed. What I mean by that is you see some defenders get beat but they recover but mathieu doesn't have that. Like I said you put him in space/blitz he will make plays but if you expect him to go against victor Cruz and play well. He will get beat often. Later rounds is probably where he will and should go.

I was just saying he's the same height as Winfield. Never said he covers like him, Todd.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

I am playing him at safety anyways if I draft him, we will have to agree to disagree here. Either away I want him, reminds me of Troy Polamalu, not the best in coverage but always around the ball making playd. Plus he is a good return Man.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

I am playing him at safety anyways if I draft him, we will have to agree to disagree here. Either away I want him, reminds me of Troy Polamalu, not the best in coverage but always around the ball making playd. Plus he is a good return Man.

Troy Polamalu weighs 210 pounds. Tyrann Mathieu weighs 175 pounds.

If we draft Mathieu as a CB I'll be fine with it, even though I think there are better CB prospects out there. He might make it at CB but a 175 pound safety isn't going to hold up physically in the NFL.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Troy Polamalu weighs 210 pounds. Tyrann Mathieu weighs 175 pounds.

If we draft Mathieu as a CB I'll be fine with it, even though I think there are better CB prospects out there. He might make it at CB but a 175 pound safety isn't going to hold up physically in the NFL.

I was referring to Polamalu's playing style, as far as weighing 175lbs, I dont see why he can't put on 10-15 pounds of muscle.

[CultBrennan59]

The Most Overlooked Players in the 2013 NFL Draft | Bleacher Report

Reggie Dunn, Quanterus Smith, Brandon Kaufman all are worth getting late

[CultBrennan59]

For all you Mathieu fans (myself included)
A Violent Collision Seeker - Evaluations - Rotoworld.com

#5 is what I've been saying all along