Should Mike Shanahan be fired?

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by Bucket

Shanahan was handed the keys to a volvo and asked to win the Indy 500.

Most fans here, including the ones in this thread that support letting Shanny go, aren't expecting the "Indy 500", but in 3 1/2 years with a supportive owner you should be at least in the middle of the pack with a clear path on what needs to be done to get to the front within a year or two. Right now we've got RG3, a bunch of "player evaluations", no discipline/accountability from anyone, and a 6-10 record at best.

"When i got here this team was old, and had no depth. Out of all the players we released none of them played in the NFL anymore. That includes the whole offense in which not one player was from that era. Offense, Defense, Special Teams was all old and there was no depth."

Didn't see the presser, but if this is what Shanny said, another reason to dump this clown at the end of the season. He sounds like my 19 yr. old when he's done something @ss stupid, then makes excuses for his stupidity.

Man the F up, the guy is getting paid $ 7M / yr.

That's a 53 man roster in which draft picks were slim, and free agency was worse. A 53 man roster in which he's had to build in a course of 2 offseasons, and you think he doesn't wan't to grab every A list guy available? Truth is.. You can't fill that many spots with all talent in such a short amount of time.

Then why do teams like the Pats, Steelers, Giants, reload and not rebuild? They have bright folks running the organization who empower smart hard-working guys to do their homework and then they listen to them. They also have great coaching staffs. How is Indy 5-3, is Luck that much better than RG3 (no)? Tampa is playing well, Vikes too. The 49ers were a wreck before Harbaugh, now they're one of the league's best.

The lack of patience in this community of Redskins fans is a main reason why we are in the state we are now.

No, hiring decisions by Snyder (outside of Gibbs 2.0) are the reason we are where we are. Some his fault (keeping Vinny too long, Zorn in over his head), this one with Shanny not his fault. Shanny just isn't getting it done.

Let me ask you this, what do you see (other than RG3) that gives you hope MS will have the franchise on the right track by the end of next year?

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

Then why do teams like the Pats, Steelers, Giants, reload and not rebuild? They have bright folks running the organization who empower smart hard-working guys to do their homework and then they listen to them. They also have great coaching staffs. How is Indy 5-3, is Luck that much better than RG3 (no)? Tampa is playing well, Vikes too. The 49ers were a wreck before Harbaugh, now they're one of the league's best.

No, hiring decisions by Snyder (outside of Gibbs 2.0) are the reason we are where we are. Some his fault (keeping Vinny too long, Zorn in over his head), this one with Shanny not his fault. Shanny just isn't getting it done.

Let me ask you this, what do you see (other than RG3) that gives you hope MS will have the franchise on the right track by the end of next year?

Since you referenced Gibbs 2.0 I will rail once again about how his return to the Redskins set this franchise back 5+ years and we are now suffering from some of the blunderous moves in his era. Let's start with the trading of draft picks for Mark Brunell, then not re-signing Fred Smoot causing a need at CB (which was filled with drafting Rogers rather than drafting Demarcus Ware), then making a pre-draft trade for Denver's first round pick in expectation that their pre determined QB of the future would be there at 25 rather than wait until the day of the draft where they likely would have been able to trade into the 1st round to draft Aaron Rodgers instead of Campbell who went one pick later. TJ Duckett anyone? How about the fact that over a 4 year span he drafted 21 players? How about over those 21 draft picks only 6 were in the first 3 rounds? Not to mention when he left, it was an old, expensive team built for a 2007 playoff run. Vinny further screwed the team with awful 2008 and 2009 drafts that yielded 3 players still on the roster.

The point of this isn't to 'blame' the past but in response to 'why can't this team turn things around like others'? Why do the Pats, Steelers and Giants reload rather than rebuild? Because they have a consistent program, a foundation to build from. The Pats have a consistent program that's been in place for over a decade. The Steelers have had consistency in their philosophy since the 90's. The Giants are on the third generation of their philosophy from George Young, who taught Ernie Acorsi who taught Jerry Reese. We haven't had that, not even close.

The 49ers had a ton of early first round picks that finally came together last year under Harbaugh, that's how they came together. The Colts this year, while surprising were a playoff team 2 years ago and were awful because they had no QB. Tampa and the Vikings (2 of our wins coincidentally) are inconsistent because they are still learning to win as well.

It may not seem like it after the past 2 games but our future is bright. We have 3 foundation pieces in place (QB, LT, RB) with potentially a pass rushing duo that when healthy can be very productive. As Schefter said last week, is there another team in the division with a more promising future than us? Why derail it by throwing out the system and starting all over again, again!?!