Defensive Parts

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Meks

Seriously... think of.it... orakpo/wilson DE .. cofield/jenkins DT... carriker/golston DT ... kerrigan/jacksin DE.... fletcher MLB ... Riley OLB... see our team just filling in linebackers as D lineman because.of poor drafting?? ... forcing ends to be LBs because of poor drafting?? ... not the current regime fault.but i also used to see SOOOOO mamy more exotic looks with eilliams EVEN BLACHE... minus the 10ydyou corner cusion that i DESPISE! ... we need the transfer back to 4-3... we just do... our players would all benefit so much from it and be more preductive... so sick of ud forcing shit on playet for the past few years smh... rant over.. phone typing sux..

Seriously?

Cofield and Jenkins would be fine. Carriker failed miserably in St. Louis at DE and DT. That's why we got him for next to nothing. Golston isn't a starting. A starting caliber DT. Fletcher is not good anymore. And orakpo has yet to play DE in the nfl. By the way, the 4-3 limits what you can do as a defense in terms of where the blitz is coming from.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Seriously?

Cofield and Jenkins would be fine. Carriker failed miserably in St. Louis at DE and DT. That's why we got him for next to nothing. Golston isn't a starting. A starting caliber DT. Fletcher is not good anymore. And orakpo has yet to play DE in the nfl. By the way, the 4-3 limits what you can do as a defense in terms of where the blitz is coming from.

So we are gonna ignore the fact that he played DE in his rookie season when he had 11 sacks?

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

So we are gonna ignore the fact that he played DE in his rookie season when he had 11 sacks?

He was a stand up OLB buddy. They would blitz him.

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

He was a stand up OLB buddy. They would blitz him.

Ok man, if that helps you sleep at night.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Ok man, if that helps you sleep at night.

I watched some of his rookie 4-3 highlights, and he was blitzing but he would also have his hand in the dirt, so we were both wrong/right-right/wrong.

Orakpo is a huge loss, and maybe our best pass rusher, but he, like Kerrigan, have limited moves, and problem which doesn't matter if its 3-4 or 4-3.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Seriously?

Fletcher is not good anymore.

All of a sudden Fletcher isn't good anymore? I've been seeing people say that around here for the past few weeks. Fletcher has 73 tackles in 9 games which puts him on pace for him to have as many tackles as he had in 2008, 2009, and 2010. I see absolutely no drop off whatsoever from him.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

All of a sudden Fletcher isn't good anymore? I've been seeing people say that around here for the past few weeks. Fletcher has 73 tackles in 9 games which puts him on pace for him to have as many tackles as he had in 2008, 2009, and 2010. I see absolutely no drop off whatsoever from him.

You are misinformed.

HTTR 24-7 - Redskins Defensive Player Grades At The Bye Week

London Fletcher

Overall #48 (-14.3)

#47/51 vs Run, #37/51 Coverage

Pass Rush -1.2, Run Defense -7.5, Coverage -2.5 QB Sacks 1, QB Hits 0, QB Hurries 4

Tackles 49, Missed Tackles 14, Coverage Targets 54, Receptions 39(#51) , Yards 415(#51), Yac 191(#49), TD 4

LF is still playing with vertigo (balance issues), and it's obvious he doesn't need to be out there.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

You are misinformed.

HTTR 24-7 - Redskins Defensive Player Grades At The Bye Week





LF is still playing with vertigo (balance issues), and it's obvious he doesn't need to be out there.

That chart or report doesn't mean anything. Fletcher is still playing the same way he's been playing since he became a Redskin.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

That chart or report doesn't mean anything. Fletcher is still playing the same way he's been playing since he became a Redskin.

No he is not, and you clearly are not watching the games. That much is evident.

[HTTR247]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

All of a sudden Fletcher isn't good anymore? I've been seeing people say that around here for the past few weeks. Fletcher has 73 tackles in 9 games which puts him on pace for him to have as many tackles as he had in 2008, 2009, and 2010. I see absolutely no drop off whatsoever from him.

London is not having a very good year. In 2011 he was rated the #8 inside LB and had 14 missed tackles in 16 games. In 2012 Fletch has 14 missed tackles in 9 games so expect that number to climb over the next 7 games.

In coverage he was targeted 54 times in 1033 snaps,2012 he has been targeted 55 times in 607 snaps. Offenses have found great success throwing against him getting Tight Ends matched up against him.

London is also dealing with the hammy issue and vertigo which do not help his play.

If London was 28 or 29 you might chalk it up to a bad year and expect a rebound, at 37 usually you decline rather than improve. Fletchs contract is structured so the team can move on this off season pretty easily so we will see what happens.

No shame in declining production at 37 years old either. Hell of a career but signs are there its coming to a end.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by HTTR247

London is not having a very good year. In 2011 he was rated the #8 inside LB and had 14 missed tackles in 16 games. In 2012 Fletch has 14 missed tackles in 9 games so expect that number to climb over the next 7 games.

In coverage he was targeted 54 times in 1033 snaps,2012 he has been targeted 55 times in 607 snaps. Offenses have found great success throwing against him getting Tight Ends matched up against him.

London is also dealing with the hammy issue and vertigo which do not help his play.

If London was 28 or 29 you might chalk it up to a bad year and expect a rebound, at 37 usually you decline rather than improve. Fletchs contract is structured so the team can move on this off season pretty easily so we will see what happens.

No shame in declining production at 37 years old either. Hell of a career but signs are there its coming to a end.

Welcome

[HTTR247]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Welcome

Appreciate it

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by REDSKINS4ever

All of a sudden Fletcher isn't good anymore? I've been seeing people say that around here for the past few weeks. Fletcher has 73 tackles in 9 games which puts him on pace for him to have as many tackles as he had in 2008, 2009, and 2010. I see absolutely no drop off whatsoever from him.

He's looked a bit slower, missed a few tackles he would have made last year, and been trucked a time or two. It's one of two things, either the nagging health issues (balance, hammy) are effecting him or they're excuses for London finally aging.

Either way, it's not the precipitous decline some bellyache about. Looks pretty gradual to me. Given the fact we NEED big talent infusions at RT, and three of four secondary spots I don't think ILB should be a real priority given the limited resources we have.

Fletcher could also be helped significantly by a better scheme. He's still one of the top three pure MLBs in football.

[hutch17]

Originally Posted by The Goat

He's looked a bit slower, missed a few tackles he would have made last year, and been trucked a time or two. It's one of two things, either the nagging health issues (balance, hammy) are effecting him or they're excuses for London finally aging.

Either way, it's not the precipitous decline some bellyache about. Looks pretty gradual to me. Given the fact we NEED big talent infusions at RT, and three of four secondary spots I don't think ILB should be a real priority given the limited resources we have.

Fletcher could also be helped significantly by a better scheme. He's still one of the top three pure MLBs in football.

We have the kid Robinson, all set to take over and one of the reasons he was drafted was his pass coverage, I would like to see him in more on the obvious passing downs to help take away the TE, because as much as I hate to admit it London has lost a step at least in pass defense he is still solid against the run.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by hutch17

We have the kid Robinson, all set to take over and one of the reasons he was drafted was his pass coverage, I would like to see him in more on the obvious passing downs to help take away the TE, because as much as I hate to admit it London has lost a step at least in pass defense he is still solid against the run.

Not nit-picking or being argumentative but I think the dig on London's pass coverage is a half-truth. The key is one-on-one coverage vs zone. London was never elite one-on-one and now being a tick slower he's actually a liability. But if you leave him covering the middle of the field London has shown (no surprise here) elite QB/play recognition and puts himself in position to break up passes and get a few interceptions. In other words one of his greatest talents, football IQ, is being minimized when he's forced into man coverage.
His talent/effectiveness is minimized anytime you take him away from the middle of the field. London should always be "covering" the middle of the field or blitzing, run or pass, because that is maximizing his skill level. Very similar to Urlacher actually, who's legs are much further gone than London's but the Bears scheme keeps him right in the middle and he's already got an INT this year. London, IMHO, is a superior MLB to Urlacher today, but our guy is playing way out of position.

...and it's so effing obvious, makes me want to throw my glass of scotch at the tv Hate this regime so much right now. If I was London I'd be demanding a trade, instead he just keeps quiet and plays his guts out (injured, btw). Wish I had that kind of character.