Official 2012 Election Day Thread

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

As said in the article, this is just a "toothless temper tantrum" from some on the far right. I am not sure what the population of each State where it is filed, but I expect anywhere from a 10-20% response - with only a small portion of those numbers actually reflecting people who desire seccession and the rest made up of people "making a statement".

Reconciling the (what appear to be) very different views of America based largely on regionalism is going to be a difficult challenge for this country going forward.

I don't believe we have "very different" views. I do believe the agitators want us to believe we have "very different" views. They have sold certain segment of the population on the idea that "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos" and that compromise and win-win solutions are not desirable.

Bottom line, the problem is lack of leadership and in absence of leadership you get this:




We need leaders who can say "that's quite enough of that."

[NC_Skins]

Well played Simpsons.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by saden1

I don't believe we have "very different" views. I do believe the agitators want us to believe we have "very different" views. They have sold certain segment of the population on the idea that "There's Nothing in the Middle of the Road but Yellow Stripes and Dead Armadillos" and that compromise and win-win solutions are not desirable. ...

We need leaders who can say "that's quite enough of that."

Can't get your media at work. I think I generally agree with you.

If this seems contradictory, I ask forgiveness for failing to express it well - I believe their are great areas of agreement, some areas of real disagreement and large areas of misunderstanding (by both sides) and that regionalism plays a part in all of that.

In terms of leadership, I agree.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Can't get your media at work. I think I generally agree with you.

If this seems contradictory, I ask forgiveness for failing to express it well - I believe their are great areas of agreement, some areas of real disagreement and large areas of misunderstanding (by both sides) and that regionalism plays a part in all of that.

In terms of leadership, I agree.

Do we have quite a few disagreements that difficult to abridge? Whether it be the role of government, abortion or climate change there is a difference and always will be. Some folks believe abortion is abhorrent and should be banned but a polarity of the public does not and the recognition of that is more important than the recognition of the difference itself. You can't have it your way all time.

I mean, the legality of Abortion has been settled for almost 40 years but for some reason there are "leaders" who believe its ban is attainable if they only speak loud enough and legislate hard enough. The banning of abortion is as impossible as the banning of alcohol and it takes leadership to bring those who want to ban it in line with reality.

There are a lot of people who tend to get upset and walk away when you disagree with them and all that does is create more distance.

[NC_Skins]

Mitt Romney Campaign Aides Had Credit Cards Canceled Late On Election Night


What a douche bag. I'm glad this assclown's political career is OVER. Good riddance asshole. Here I thought the guy gave a great concession speech, only to find out he turned around and ****ed his staffers. Good job staff, and as a reward for your loyalty and hard work, let me **** you over. Thanks! This message is approved by Mitt Romney!

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Mitt Romney Campaign Aides Had Credit Cards Canceled Late On Election Night


What a douche bag. I'm glad this assclown's political career is OVER. Good riddance asshole. Here I thought the guy gave a great concession speech, only to find out he turned around and ****ed his staffers. Good job staff, and as a reward for your loyalty and hard work, let me **** you over. Thanks! This message is approved by Mitt Romney!

Makes perfect sense to me. When you shut down your office the first thing you do is shut off the cash before people decide to have the night out with other peoples money. Its very easy to max out a card and the other party having no chance to come back and require you to pay it back.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Makes perfect sense to me. When you shut down your office the first thing you do is shut off the cash before people decide to have the night out with other peoples money. Its very easy to max out a card and the other party having no chance to come back and require you to pay it back.

I gotta agree with FD here to a certain extent. The only way I don't agree is if Romney asked these staffers to put on events or something campaign related that would cost money, and when it came time to pay the card was dead. The article didn't state that as the case. Seems like a generally smart move. If I quit a company and have a corporate card, I expect it to be dead on my last day.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I gotta agree with FD here to a certain extent. The only way I don't agree is if Romney asked these staffers to put on events or something campaign related that would cost money, and when it came time to pay the card was dead. The article didn't state that as the case. Seems like a generally smart move. If I quit a company and have a corporate card, I expect it to be dead on my last day.

When I was an OFA staffer in '08 the campaign gave us new laptops, we kept our cell phones/Blackberry, and they paid us for the remainder of the month even though the election had ended.

My point isn't to compare how generous OFA was, but how loyalty and showing people you care matters when you want to enlist them four years later. Those people Romney burned will never work for his ass again. It was a dick move to shut down the cards with no advance notice, especially since those staffers were probably working for low wages to begin with.

But whatevs..the election is over. Couldn't care less about Romney.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Makes perfect sense to me. When you shut down your office the first thing you do is shut off the cash before people decide to have the night out with other peoples money. Its very easy to max out a card and the other party having no chance to come back and require you to pay it back.

I highly doubt it's procedure to cut those cards off immediately like that with bills still left to be paid. Also, I don't think that has been a huge problem with some staffer going out and blowing money on a CC that he would most definitely have to pay back anyways. They normally have other business to conclude afterwards that need funding. Cutting them off the night off is stupid. No two ways about it.

Originally Posted by Daseal

I gotta agree with FD here to a certain extent. The only way I don't agree is if Romney asked these staffers to put on events or something campaign related that would cost money, and when it came time to pay the card was dead. The article didn't state that as the case. Seems like a generally smart move. If I quit a company and have a corporate card, I expect it to be dead on my last day.

Well, your last day wouldn't be your last day if there were still loose ends to tie up, bills still left to be paid. I mean, whos going to clean up? They just leaving all the stuff there?

No.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I highly doubt it's procedure to cut those cards off immediately like that with bills still left to be paid. Also, I don't think that has been a huge problem with some staffer going out and blowing money on a CC that he would most definitely have to pay back anyways. They normally have other business to conclude afterwards that need funding. Cutting them off the night off is stupid. No two ways about it.





Well, your last day wouldn't be your last day if there were still loose ends to tie up, bills still left to be paid. I mean, whos going to clean up? They just leaving all the stuff there?

No.

Getting a cab ride home is not a loose end and it actually sounds like he was done and going home. Ask my buddy how it feels to toss an employee the keys to his vet to run an erran and the person never came back. Couldn't press charges because he gave her the keys to use his car.