Ramsey and Brunell Trading Places???

[skinnyfan]

Originally Posted by SeasonTicketHolder

I'm just saying, with all the talk about needing time to get used to playing with the starters, I think Ramsey would have been a little better by now. I mean, he was working all off season. Someone needs to tell him he has more time than he thinks to throw.

I agree totally man.........if I have to see Ramsey's feet pitter patter back in the pocket, as if he were going to piss himself, all season......I will lose it. As decent (average) as he looked at the conclusion of last season it seems as though he has taken another step back, which is not what I expected. And he didn't make me believe he had control of anything in relation to the scheme.

[mooby]

i agree. ade's good play/bad play ratio is something like 30/70. he is a nice guy to talk to, but he can't cover for shit. im willing to give him another chance, but if he does something like that in next week's game, i wouldn't be suprised if he got cut.

[12thMan]

I'm a huge Ramsey fan but it sounds like we are making a lot of excuses for Ramsey not having time to gel with the new scheme, new receivers, etc. We'll see, it is only preseason guys.

I must say, if Brunell keeps up the crisp passing during the pre-season a QB contreversy will be unavoidvable for Gibbs & Co.

[skinsguy]

I kind of hear a contradiction among those who say "don't fret, it's just preseason."

If that's the case, then Ramsey shouldn't have been nervous for the game. It's just practice. If anything, he should has proved to us that he's in control, and I didn't see that by the way he was dancing around in the pocket last night. We can't afford to have a QB take weeks to feel comfortable. I just hope Ramsey shows us better in the next few weeks of preseason. If not, I'm very worried.

For those who said that Ramsey just played with the first team starters for the first series, that's not the case at all. The only guy I saw leave after the first series was Clinton Portis. Gibbs kept the first team in there for most of the first half and I believe Brunell played with the first team at least until half time.

Also, the reason why we didn't see much of a running game was because Gibbs had only implemented seven running plays last night. I believe last night was mainly to see how the passing game has improved - and so far, it hasn't. At least the receivers did appear to be getting open downfield, but again, it remains the fact that the QBs have to get the ball to the receivers - and unfortunately with Ramsey last night, he wasn't getting the job done.

Hopefully Ramsey will have a better game against Cincy on Friday. I wonder how long Gibbs will keep him in the Bengals game?

[skinsguy]

To add though - I think once we see every aspect of this year's offense, we'll see better production - it is hard to judge an offense on 1/3 of it displayed in last night's game.

[BigSKINBauer]

true people are making excuses. i feel he had enough time as being "the guy" to get comfortable....... with that said i just don't think a single preseason preformance will change my mind about him. He can do it, we all know he can do it, i think within the next 3 weeks he will trust the line and his protection. If they give him reason to trust them he will and i am sure he already knows what a great job the line did for him yesterday
the guy must have scary flashbacks everytime he sees a d-lineman. He was taking shots every play two years ago
he has to learn to trust them because in my opinon he was uncomfortable and felt he was gonna go down. TRUST TRUST TRUST

[skinsguy]

I think you're right. I think Ramsey still has shell shock...LOL! Once he looks at the tape on Monday morning and he sees just how well the offensive line was protecting the QBs, he might loosen up a bit. I just want to see him take as many shots downfield during the preseason as possible. I believe we have the receivers this year who'll get open for the long bomb!

[EternalEnigma21]

Jesus Christ. One will one of you moderators start a poll. I'm very curious to document after the first preseason game how many and who of us would immediately bench ramsey. I dont care if he did go out there and literally shit himself, its only the VERY FIRST PRESEASON GAME. What the hell?? The guy did look shaky, and threw a pick, but other than that he was 8 for 12. Thats a better completion percentage than the other two QBs.

Ramsey was jumpy as hell in the NY game last year when he threw all the picks. But then when he was named the starter he looked collected and we won a few games under his leadership. We owned the Giants, who took it to us the first time we played them, and he was very efficient in all of his games last year. There's a little more pressure with him starting the season and there's alot of expectations on him this year. On top of which he's playing a bland game of football in the preseason.

Some of you guys need to relax a little bit and have some patience. If this keeps up through the regular season, I may be one of the ones here calling to bench him, but this is THE VERY FIRST PRESEASON GAME. Lets not forget that.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Jesus Christ. One will one of you moderators start a poll. I'm very curious to document after the first preseason game how many and who of us would immediately bench ramsey. I dont care if he did go out there and literally shit himself, its only the VERY FIRST PRESEASON GAME. What the hell?? The guy did look shaky, and threw a pick, but other than that he was 8 for 12. Thats a better completion percentage than the other two QBs.

Ramsey was jumpy as hell in the NY game last year when he threw all the picks. But then when he was named the starter he looked collected and we won a few games under his leadership. We owned the Giants, who took it to us the first time we played them, and he was very efficient in all of his games last year. There's a little more pressure with him starting the season and there's alot of expectations on him this year. On top of which he's playing a bland game of football in the preseason.

Some of you guys need to relax a little bit and have some patience. If this keeps up through the regular season, I may be one of the ones here calling to bench him, but this is THE VERY FIRST PRESEASON GAME. Lets not forget that.

I totally agree, but hey, what else is there to talk about?

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

Jesus Christ. One will one of you moderators start a poll. I'm very curious to document after the first preseason game how many and who of us would immediately bench ramsey. I dont care if he did go out there and literally shit himself, its only the VERY FIRST PRESEASON GAME. What the hell?? The guy did look shaky, and threw a pick, but other than that he was 8 for 12. Thats a better completion percentage than the other two QBs.

Ramsey was jumpy as hell in the NY game last year when he threw all the picks. But then when he was named the starter he looked collected and we won a few games under his leadership. We owned the Giants, who took it to us the first time we played them, and he was very efficient in all of his games last year. There's a little more pressure with him starting the season and there's alot of expectations on him this year. On top of which he's playing a bland game of football in the preseason.

Some of you guys need to relax a little bit and have some patience. If this keeps up through the regular season, I may be one of the ones here calling to bench him, but this is THE VERY FIRST PRESEASON GAME. Lets not forget that.

AMEN.

For those saying we're making excuses for Ramsey's play last night, that's not it at all. We're simply ANALYZING his performance.

It's a simple NFL principle; when you have a strong running game things get a lot easier for your QB. Gibbs didn't even attempt to roll out a running game last night. That's not an excuse for Ramsey, it's an explanation for why he found the going so tough last night.

WE ARE NOT GOING TO SEE AN OFFENSE LIKE THE COLTS. Let's get that through our minds right now. Moss and Patten are not here to catch bomb after bomb. They are here to keep 8 men out of the box, due to the threat their speed represents. Portis the one who is then supposed to take advantage of the 7 man fronts.

I can guarantee you that is the plan. Gibbs will still focus on running the ball and keeping the chains moving with shorter passes. He just feels that with Moss and Patten threatening deep more often, it will open up more space underneath. Sure, Moss and Patten will be depended on for big plays on occasion. But they are not here to be Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne.

Parts of Ramsey's performance bothered me, especially the underthrown interception. But he did connect on 8 of his 12 passes. If we actually tried to run the ball last night, I bet we would have put up some points. Let's not fret yet, it's too early.

[GoSkins!]

What is important to note is that the protection was there. As long as that holds up, Ramsey well find a comfort zone and start finding his WR's.

Who else is excited about Gibbs adding the screen pass? Man, with Portis, it could go all the way at any time. It really adds a way to burn overzealous defenses.

[Sammy Baugh Fan]

If I was just looking at this [1] preseason game I myself woule not be concerned.
The kid has had [4] years and that's the best he can do?
Are you kidding me?

I like the kid. I think his arm is strong but his "Head" and his "Gut Instinct" is weak.
Sorry.

I'll be pulling for Jason Cambell from this point on unless Patrick makes a 180 degree turn around.

Jason stepped in there and looked sharp.

I'll make the prediction that he will be the QB this year as we enter the Playoffs. The Playoffs?!?!?!?!?!

Yes, the Playoffs this year.

peace
mike

"You can call me Sammy, Mr. Baugh if yer nasty" - Sammy Baugh

[EternalEnigma21]

LOL wow ask and ye shall recieve. Thanks for the poll. GoSkins! i noticed the screen and do think that with the combination of Ramsey seeing his checkdown guys, screens and a better offensive line we'll have enough to improve over last year's performance. I don't mean to get so defensive, but I was actually excited about alot of what I saw yesterday. Antonio Brown looked decent, and I at least feel more comfortable about the backup QB situation. Maybe brunell will find his feet and become more comfortable behind center. I don't think by any means he should start, but at least I feel a little more comfortable about Gibbs's decision to keep him around.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by canthetuna

I don't mean to get so defensive, but I was actually excited about alot of what I saw yesterday.

Yeah man, not sure why you were defensive. I haven't suggest Ramsey be benched, only stating the obvious from what I saw last night. I do seem to remember posting more than once that I do realize it's just the first preseason game, but at the sametime, a fourth year player shouldn't be worried about nerves.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Yeah man, not sure why you were defensive. I haven't suggest Ramsey be benched, only stating the obvious from what I saw last night. I do seem to remember posting more than once that I do realize it's just the first preseason game, but at the sametime, a fourth year player shouldn't be worried about nerves.

Honestly you weren't really the one that had me fired up. Mr Quervo had a little to do with it, and when I went into VBchat after the game there were a few guys in there after Ramsey and Gibbs. Completely ready to throw in the towel on both of them. It just seems that there are teams who have QBs who do poorly from time to time and they stick by their guy and great things happen... Anyone ever watch the NFL networks show on Brett Favre? He sucked when he got into the league.

We as skins fans have seen wayy too many QB contraversies (I remember even I was pulling for tony banks to land the starting job a few years ago lmao) in recent years to want to start it up again after one preseason game, no matter what happened. And ramsey didnt do horrible against one of the league's best defenses. I think one of the reasons NO QB has done anything spectacular for us in like ten years is because they're uncomfortable with their jobs security. Fans and Media tend to make them that way, no matter what a coach tells them. So when we're on here and everywhere else calling for Campbell or Brunell to be the starter too soon, its almost like we as fans are shooting the team in the foot.

I think the thing that bothered me so much about the situation was in the vbchat I looked at some of the guys' old posts. Some were talking about how bad the redskins were screwing over players, and others were basing assessments and assumptions on QBs based on anything but skill. (I'm not getting into that one). Those type of people just want to sit around and bitch, and when I get on my favorite site to talk with my redskin buddies about the first game of the year, (my first time to ever have that privelege, since I joined up after last year's season) benching ramsey and joe gibbs bashing over a preseason game is the last thing I expected or wanted to hear.

I could have gone to a dallASS site for that.