KC Chiefs' Player Commits Murder-Suicide

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I couldnt disagree more with your second point. Both require pre-meditation. You dont shoot someone 9 times randomly in the heat of the moment.

Surprisingly uninformed statement. So a raging person <stabs/shoots/bludgeons> once and immediately calms down?

<point_laugh>

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Surprisingly uninformed statement. So a raging person <stabs/shoots/bludgeons> once and immediately calms down?

<point_laugh>

Surprisingly lack of ability to read. At no point did i comment on the speed at which a person calms down after stabbing/shooting/bludgeoning someone.

My point was that even a murder "in the heat of the moment" requires a level of pre-meditation. Even if a person doesnt specifically plan the act well in advance, he cultivates evil desires/feelings in his heart. Therefore, when he does get in a rage, he's more likely to ACT on it.

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

Surprisingly lack of ability to read. At no point did i comment on the speed at which a person calms down after stabbing/shooting/bludgeoning someone.

My point was that even a murder "in the heat of the moment" requires a level of pre-meditation. Even if a person doesnt specifically plan the act well in advance, he cultivates evil desires/feelings in his heart. Therefore, when he does get in a rage, he's more likely to ACT on it.

Then you're arguing semantics. Exactly 'how' premeditated was it?

You can quite easily kill someone with no premeditation if you snap. For example: You're having a bad day, you get into a situation that exacerbates it in traffic on the way home, walk in the door and someone says the wrong thing. You then <stabs/shoots/bludgeons> that person, no premeditation need occur. Some people have incredibly poor impulse control centers, the frontal lobe of the brain is the part that does the reasoning and it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest that an aggressive athlete that has had multiple injuries to this part of the brain may be more susceptible to rage.

Much better explanation that 'evil'.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

Then you're arguing semantics. Exactly 'how' premeditated was it?

You can quite easily kill someone with no premeditation if you snap. For example: You're having a bad day, you get into a situation that exacerbates it in traffic on the way home, walk in the door and someone says the wrong thing. You then <stabs/shoots/bludgeons> that person, no premeditation need occur. Some people have incredibly poor impulse control centers, the frontal lobe of the brain is the part that does the reasoning and it wouldn't be a stretch to suggest that an aggressive athlete that has had multiple injuries to this part of the brain may be more susceptible to rage.

Much better explanation that 'evil'.

Please provide evidence supporting your statement that Belcher had multiple injuries to his brain that affected the ipulse control center of his brain, making him more susceptible to rage.

Please also explain how being more susceptible to rage makes you less responsible for your own actions. In my opinion, if you, for any reason, are more susciptable to rage, then you are responsible for working harder than most people at controlling it.

As to your first statement regarding having a bad day, you've acutally proved my other point. You might not premediate murdering that particular peson, but by chosing to react to all those situations the way that you do, and let that anger bulid up inside you, youre cultivating a mindset that makes you more likely to act on it. If a person has impulses like that, they are responsible for working extra hard to control them - not using it as an excuse for when they do snap.

People "snap" because society tolerates that behavior and makes excuses for it. If it didnt, i think you would find alot less people would "snap."