Dear Mark, I'm sorry...

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by irish

Like I said before 12th, teams hand the reigns over to players they are building confidence in all the time, Brees, E. Manning, Carr, Big Ben. You arguement that this never happens has no basis in reality.

As for Gibbs having a choice, what free agent was he going to bring in that could do as well as or better than PR? There is a bunch of impact WRs and RBs, LBs, etc that are available as free agents every year so the choice to dump Gardner & Coles was easy because they are easy to replace. Impact free agent QBs just dont exist, therefore Gibbs is stuck with PR.

I believe Gibbs wants PR to succeed because if PR succeeds Gibbs and the team succeed but I also believe that deep in his heart Gibbs just does not think PR will end up being the man.

Okay, Irish, for the sake of argument let's use the building confidence scenerios of Brees, E. Manning, Carr, Big Ben. In my opinion, these coaches wer're simply developing QBs that they already had confidence in to begin with! I don't think in any of these cases the coaches we're standing by, waiting for these guys to throw their first NFL touchdown, wipe the sweat from their brow, and blow a sigh of relief as if they were now all of a sudden confident in their respective abilities. I just don't buy - they had confidence in them to begin with, but they simply needed to develop the raw talent that was there. To not have faith in something is like not driving a car with no brakes because you know no matter how much you pump the brakes or how much you like the car it just won't stop! So you don't even bother to start the engine until you fix the brakes.

By the way, there were a few FA QBs available. Kurt Warner, Drew Bleedslow, Dilfer, Garcia. Now obviously there were financial considerations and other things to consider on the part of the Redskins, but that's a pretty decent list.

[irish]

If Marty had confidence in Breese and was developing this raw talent, why did the Chargers draft Rivers #1 overall? Because Marty had no confidence in DB. Marty did last year what Gibbs is doing this year. Hopefully PR does this season what Breese did last year.

Warner, Bledsoe, Garcia, Dilfer. Not exactly what I would call impact free agents. Their best days are behind them and 2 years from now they wont be in the league.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by irish

If Marty had confidence in Breese and was developing this raw talent, why did the Chargers draft Rivers #1 overall? Because Marty had no confidence in DB. Marty did last year what Gibbs is doing this year. Hopefully PR does this season what Breese did last year.

Warner, Bledsoe, Garcia, Dilfer. Not exactly what I would call impact free agents. Their best days are behind them and 2 years from now they wont be in the league.

Well, like I said it's cool to disagree here. I just think the word "no confidence" is is a little overboard that's all. No problem.

No they aren't all impact QBs, but that's why I called the list decent.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by irish

If Marty had confidence in Breese and was developing this raw talent, why did the Chargers draft Rivers #1 overall? Because Marty had no confidence in DB. Marty did last year what Gibbs is doing this year. Hopefully PR does this season what Breese did last year.

because brees was becoming a FA (like ramsey) and marty wanted a contingency plan AND rivers looked like he could become a good player. You take the shots when they're there, and not waiting till the last minute is usually a good idea.