Ravens at Redskins Post Game Thread (RG3 MRI Result-Sprained Knee)

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

Its football and he had to sacrifice his body to help the team win. QBs who stay in the pocket like Big Ben take the worse hits.

Does sacrificing your body so that it is a 3rd and 4 when you could have slid to make it a 3rd and 6 help the team win?

And where in my post did I say he should stay in the pocket? I said he needs to slide and avoid hits completely because, let's be honest, his 218 lb frame can't take hits from guys like Ngata who outweigh him by more than a 100 lbs.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Does sacrificing your body so that it is a 3rd and 4 when you could have slid to make it a 3rd and 6 help the team win?

And where in my post did I say he should stay in the pocket? I said he needs to slide and avoid hits completely because, let's be honest, his 218 lb frame can't take hits from guys like Ngata who outweigh him by more than a 100 lbs.

Its hard telling a competitor to slide. Look at Vick everyone has been telling him to slide but he fights for every inch. I think it comes down to him learning how to go through progressions and realizing running is his absolutely last option and when he does sprint for the sideline. But teaching someone to slide that plays like him is almost impossible. He has that Elway factor to him that will fight for every inch when he scrambles.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Its hard telling a competitor to slide. Look at Vick everyone has been telling him to slide but he fights for every inch. I think it comes down to him learning how to go through progressions and realizing running is his absolutely last option and when he does sprint for the sideline. But teaching someone to slide that plays like him is almost impossible. He has that Elway factor to him that will fight for every inch when he scrambles.

I love self-defeating arguments -- LOOK AT VICK!!! all that talent which is in a sense wasted because he doesn't play smart. If you're really a competitor, and not an imbecile, you realize that you would rather sacrifice some meaningless yards now for 5 more years of playing rather than get those yards and be out of the game much sooner than you would like. Is Tom Brady not competitive because he doesn't sacrifice his body in the same way?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

I love self-defeating arguments -- LOOK AT VICK!!! all that talent which is in a sense wasted because he doesn't play smart. If you're really a competitor, and not an imbecile, you realize that you would rather sacrifice some meaningless yards now for 5 more years of playing rather than get those yards and be out of the game much sooner than you would like. Is Tom Brady not competitive because he doesn't sacrifice his body in the same way?

Brady sacrifices his body by hanging in their till the last minute until so he can throw to his receiver. Why does Big Ben get injured? Because he waits until the last minute and then throws the ball. They might not be scrambling because they know they can't but they are competitive for every yard in their own way. Remember when Brady tore his ACL? its because he was waiting until the last minute to throw it downfield. So Brady, Big Ben, Manning all sacrifice their bodies they just do it in a different way buy hanging in the pocket in order to make the proper throw. Griffin does it by scrambling and hanging in the pocket until the last minute. Manning needed neck surgeries because he took hits in order to get the ball downfield. Great quarterbacks are competitive for every yard in their own ways.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Brady sacrifices his body by hanging in their till the last minute until so he can throw to his receiver. Why does Big Ben get injured? Because he waits until the last minute and then throws the ball. They might not be scrambling because they know they can't but they are competitive for every yard in their own way. Remember when Brady tore his ACL? its because he was waiting until the last minute to throw it downfield. So Brady, Big Ben, Manning all sacrifice their bodies they just do it in a different way buy hanging in the pocket in order to make the proper throw. Griffin does it by scrambling and hanging in the pocket until the last minute. Manning needed neck surgeries because he took hits in order to get the ball downfield. Great quarterbacks are competitive for every yard in their own ways.

I suppose...still, I guess hindsight is 20/20 and RG3 really should not have taken that hit. Good points.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Brady sacrifices his body by hanging in their till the last minute until so he can throw to his receiver. Why does Big Ben get injured? Because he waits until the last minute and then throws the ball. They might not be scrambling because they know they can't but they are competitive for every yard in their own way. Remember when Brady tore his ACL? its because he was waiting until the last minute to throw it downfield. So Brady, Big Ben, Manning all sacrifice their bodies they just do it in a different way buy hanging in the pocket in order to make the proper throw. Griffin does it by scrambling and hanging in the pocket until the last minute. Manning needed neck surgeries because he took hits in order to get the ball downfield. Great quarterbacks are competitive for every yard in their own ways.

Well said.

Just to add... football is a rough game. RG3's style of play is going to lend himself to taking some hits now and then. Shit happens.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Does sacrificing your body so that it is a 3rd and 4 when you could have slid to make it a 3rd and 6 help the team win?

And where in my post did I say he should stay in the pocket? I said he needs to slide and avoid hits completely because, let's be honest, his 218 lb frame can't take hits from guys like Ngata who outweigh him by more than a 100 lbs.

he was running....less severe injuries happen when running and diving than in the pocker absorbing hits. Ask Cutler

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Gary84Clark

he was running....less severe injuries happen when running and diving than in the pocker absorbing hits. Ask Cutler

Dude, read my post, I am saying he should slide. That hit he took was completely unnecessary and he accomplished nothing by taking it.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Dude, read my post, I am saying he should slide. That hit he took was completely unnecessary and he accomplished nothing by taking it.

It happens all the time. I mean (and I HATE cliches) but hindsight is 20/20. There are a number of instances this year where he COULD have slid and the game might have had a different outcome.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Does sacrificing your body so that it is a 3rd and 4 when you could have slid to make it a 3rd and 6 help the team win?

And where in my post did I say he should stay in the pocket? I said he needs to slide and avoid hits completely because, let's be honest, his 218 lb frame can't take hits from guys like Ngata who outweigh him by more than a 100 lbs.

This stuff just makes me face-palm. If he's just going to sit back there and take a sack, we might as well have started Grossman and kept the picks. If you insist RG3 stops all of his "RG3-ness', we're right back to square one and possibly wouldn't have won a game all year.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

This stuff just makes me face-palm. If he's just going to sit back there and take a sack, we might as well have started Grossman and kept the picks. If you insist RG3 stops all of his "RG3-ness', we're right back to square one and possibly wouldn't have won a game all year.

Good point -- still, given that hindsight is 20/20, on that one play, RG3 made a really bad decision not sliding and taking a ferocious hit from two much larger men. Can we agree on that?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Good point -- still, given that hindsight is 20/20, on that one play, RG3 made a really bad decision not sliding and taking a ferocious hit from two much larger men. Can we agree on that?

I agree a bad decision, but it is easy to look back at it and say he should have slid but their of plenty of players that regret this play or another play that cost them their career. You think Bo Jackson wished we would have just ran out of bounds? Or do you Jamal Lewis (who can't remember anything anymore) wished we would have quit earlier in order to still have his mental health? So we can wish that he did something but hindsight is 20/20 and we can only hope he is healthy and learned.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I agree a bad decision, but it is easy to look back at it and say he should have slid but their of plenty of players that regret this play or another play that cost them their career. You think Bo Jackson wished we would have just ran out of bounds? Or do you Jamal Lewis (who can't remember anything anymore) wished we would have quit earlier in order to still have his mental health? So we can wish that he did something but hindsight is 20/20 and we can only hope he is healthy and learned.

Jamal Lewis doesn't even know he's Jamal Lewis

Its what comes with the QB. Wilson, Luck, Weeden, all those guys will suffer injuries that put them out atleast a game in their career.