Chris Cooley

[los panda]

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by los panda

As a certified Maryland secondary school wrestling referee I'd have hit Fred for stalling a couple of times there.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by los panda

It's tough to grapple with someone who knows what they're doing.

I had a buddy in college who was a beast on the mat, I must have had about 25 pounds on him at least but I knew I was in trouble if he got me on the ground.

[redskins5044]

Cooley=Grossman for the team this year. Just here because he is familiar with the team after Davis got hurt. I would even say Grossman has more of impact on game day. Cooley is done we need to just move on.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

Cooley=Grossman for the team this year. Just here because he is familiar with the team after Davis got hurt. I would even say Grossman has more of impact on game day. Cooley is done we need to just move on.

One block late in the 4th quarter against the Giants while going for a first down to seal the game is more than Grossman has contributed all year. Hes good about talking with RG3 and Cousins, but Cooley is a good locker room guy as well.

[redskins5044]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

One block late in the 4th quarter against the Giants while going for a first down to seal the game is more than Grossman has contributed all year. Hes good about talking with RG3 and Cousins, but Cooley is a good locker room guy as well.

i was being sarcastic, but your exactly right Cooley is no more that the 3rd TE, which is usually a blocker.

[Gary84Clark]

I thought Cooley was second string to Davis but his contract was too high. I want to see Cooley get the ball. Cooley is not washed up in my opinion. He is just not better than Davis and not worth his previous contract. I think he is worth his contract now, and I think he will contribute in the playoffs. Niles Paul has alot of growing to do as a TE. Hopefully he will grow in the offseason at TE.

[saden1]

So long as he continues to block like has been he still has value to the team. I am sure there is a plan to use him in the passing game at some point.

[Ruhskins]

So if Cooley gets targeted 4 times in the remaining games, will people get over this whole "Paul is taking time away from Cooley" argument?

[hooskins]

[QUOTE=The Goat;974562]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

I don't want to come across as overtly insulting so I won't explain what conspiracy means, or post a definition.

There's two different issues, which are intertwined. One is why Paul sees the field on offense? The other is why Cooley hasn't gotten more looks?

I tend to think Cooley should get more looks, like split targets with Lunch Pail. More strongly though, I don't see any evidence that Paul deserves to play on offense...anywhere.

To the last thing, yeah I still seriously doubt Shanahan will take us anywhere. Still happy to be wrong about it if things really come together, and I love wearing my Skins apparral right now btw. But no, I don't think Mike's going anywhere. My intuition is he's done just enough to keep his job into next year, and maybe even turn the team over to his kiddo afterward. I don't think we'll ever be a real contender with a Shanahan as HC, OC etc for myriad reasons that have been long debated here. I think better coaching prospects will be available next year, and the year after.

I don't mind being the minority in this regard, in part because I find the pro-Shanny posts/posters pretty amusing

What is it, exactly, that you don't see with Paul? You're just saying you see stuff without substantiating it.

What about the countless articles during the summer that said Cooley had just lost a step? Those guys actually watched more plays than any of us. No one thinks Paul is a barnburner but he's probably faster than Cooley. Why do you think the coaches would purposely put the worst player higher up in the lineup? Its not in their own interest, it makes zero sense. They see these guys practice everyday and they pick the best to help them win. If folks like you were actually right you'd be sitting drawing up gameplans for an NFL team at this hour instead of on a football forum.

Cooley has a place on this team as a blocking TE. He's still pretty good at that and showed that vs. the giants. But it starts and ends there.

[The Goat]

[quote=hooskins;974659]

Originally Posted by The Goat

What is it, exactly, that you don't see with Paul? You're just saying you see stuff without substantiating it.

Earlier in the thread we talked about blocking, pass-catching, and YAC. Specifically, Paul has missed a lot of blocks. Some stand out because he missed a backfield assignment and RG got trucked. This happened in several games earlier in the season, but if you notice we're not putting Paul in the backfield as much now.

He also drops way too many passes. And finally, aside from the blown coverage TD he's shown nothing in the YAC dept.

I think, in plain words, Paul has shown nothing on gamedays that he deserves to play on gamedays. It sounds like a silly complaint when we're winning, but then again we're only winning by a play or two each game, right? Paul vs Logan/Chris could be the difference.

[hooskins]

[QUOTE=The Goat;974661]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Earlier in the thread we talked about blocking, pass-catching, and YAC. Specifically, Paul has missed a lot of blocks. Some stand out because he missed a backfield assignment and RG got trucked. This happened in several games earlier in the season, but if you notice we're not putting Paul in the backfield as much now.

He also drops way too many passes. And finally, aside from the blown coverage TD he's shown nothing in the YAC dept.

I think, in plain words, Paul has shown nothing on gamedays that he deserves to play on gamedays. It sounds like a silly complaint when we're winning, but then again we're only winning by a play or two each game, right? Paul vs Logan/Chris could be the difference.

Cooley isn't getting more YAC than Paul. Much slower, as you previously admitted. Regarding missed blocks you gave me one example. Not sure how that translates to "many", but sure lets go with that: Cooley is a better blocker. I would argue Cooley isn't in on as many passing plays because he's lost a step and would be an even worst pass blocker. Cooley is a better run blocker and you see him used as that. Finally the drops. I think that's an issue that is being improved on.

Overall, based on the above, its really a toss. I'd say go with the younger more athletic player.

I think what you are "seeing" is just wrong. Paul isn't as bad as you make him out to be and Cooley definitely isn't as great as you think he is. The grass is always greener on the other side of the hill.

also I am waiting for the answer to the rest of my previous post.

[The Goat]

[quote=hooskins;974665]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Cooley isn't getting more YAC than Paul. Much slower, as you previously admitted. Regarding missed blocks you gave me one example. Not sure how that translates to "many", but sure lets go with that: Cooley is a better blocker. I would argue Cooley isn't in on as many passing plays because he's lost a step and would be an even worst pass blocker. Cooley is a better run blocker and you see him used as that. Finally the drops. I think that's an issue that is being improved on.

Overall, based on the above, its really a toss. I'd say go with the younger more athletic player.

I think what you are "seeing" is just wrong. Paul isn't as bad as you make him out to be and Cooley definitely isn't as great as you think he is. The grass is always greener on the other side of the hill.

also I am waiting for the answer to the rest of my previous post.

The rest of your post was too dumb for comment, but I just remembered also talking about Cooley's quickness on field. If you go back and watch him line up along LOS and head down field he's covering ground as quickly as Garcon and the rest. I think Cooley looks quicker than he ever house, which is plausible since he's lighter and evidently in better condition.

And Paul has missed a few backfield blocks that led to a sack or knockdown, but again earlier in the season. They're not relying on him now.

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The rest of your post was too dumb for comment, but I just remembered also talking about Cooley's quickness on field. If you go back and watch him line up along LOS and head down field he's covering ground as quickly as Garcon and the rest. I think Cooley looks quicker than he ever house, which is plausible since he's lighter and evidently in better condition.

And Paul has missed a few backfield blocks that led to a sack or knockdown, but again earlier in the season. They're not relying on him now.

Let's be clear here. Are you suggesting that Cooley has Garcon speed? Garcon is one of the fastest players in the league- Cooley in his prime wouldn't smell the pure speed Garcon possesses even at 70%.

I love Cooley as much as the next guy- but let's be honest with ourselves here. He is a has been that has a spot on the team solely because of his knowledge of the playbook and his blocking.

There is a reason he got cut.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by The Goat

The rest of your post was too dumb for comment, but I just remembered also talking about Cooley's quickness on field. If you go back and watch him line up along LOS and head down field he's covering ground as quickly as Garcon and the rest. I think Cooley looks quicker than he ever house, which is plausible since he's lighter and evidently in better condition.

And Paul has missed a few backfield blocks that led to a sack or knockdown, but again earlier in the season. They're not relying on him now.

Something tells me that you are talking about the blocks where Paul lined up on the right side of the offense and had to come back all the way to block the DE on the left side of the offense. On one specific occasion, that DE was JPP against the Giants in the first game. Thats a scheme issue, not a bad blocking TE issue. Cooley wouldnt have made that block, Paulsen wouldnt of made that block, Gronkowski or Hernandez wouldnt of made that block, No TE will make that block on a consistent basis. It being removed from the offense is not a sign of how bad Paul is as much as it is a sign of how bad that play design is.

TE's pass blocking on all star DE's with no help and no roll out away from that DE is all about bad play design. If a TE not being able to block JPP is a sign of a bad TE, then we havent had a good TE since possibly Donny Warren, and even then maybe not. If that is your standard of a good TE, you have eliminated Cooley as well. No point in arguing Cooley over Paul if that is the standard being set.