Skins 38 Browns 21 post game thread

[GTripp0012]

First time you get a second round pick offered for Cousins you have to pull the trigger.

Anytime you can turn a fourth round investment into a second round pick based off a game and a half, that's highway robbery. And I like Cousins long term. You're just not getting a top 60 pick from a good organization for him.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

First time you get a second round pick offered for Cousins you have to pull the trigger.

Anytime you can turn a fourth round investment into a second round pick based off a game and a half, that's highway robbery. And I like Cousins long term. You're just not getting a top 60 pick from a good organization for him.

I don't know. He just outplayed a top 10 pick in weeden, and it was his first start. That combined with the poise he showed in the last quarter of last week, and I think he already looks like more of a proven commodity than kolb did, and look what he commanded. I think we could definitely get a second rounder for him, maybe even a 2nd and a 4th or 5th. The guy looks super solid, someone that could become a very solid qb, and you can't put a value on that.

Who knows?

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I don't know. He just outplayed a top 10 pick in weeden, and it was his first start. That combined with the poise he showed in the last quarter of last week, and I think he already looks like more of a proven commodity than kolb did, and look what he commanded. I think we could definitely get a second rounder for him, maybe even a 2nd and a 4th or 5th. The guy looks super solid, someone that could become a very solid qb, and you can't put a value on that.

Who knows?

Weeden was the biggest first round reach in the last ten years. There were more qualified college QBs who did not get drafted at all.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Weeden was the biggest first round reach in the last ten years. There were more qualified college QBs who did not get drafted at all.

Def a reach but I think Ponder was a pretty big reach too.

Guy is awful

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

Def a reach but I think Ponder was a pretty big reach too.

Guy is awful

Ponder at least is just 24. Who knows where he'll be in 2 years?

We know where Weeden will be after the 2014 season, which is out of the league.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Ponder at least is just 24. Who knows where he'll be in 2 years?

We know where Weeden will be after the 2014 season, which is out of the league.

Good point. Ponder has an upside but I still think he is terri-bad.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

Good point. Ponder has an upside but I still think he is terri-bad.

I think ponder has better tools and has a decent shot to turn the center. weeded will need a lot of talent and a scheme around him to be good. Highly doubt he's gonna get that in the factory of sadness.

[Skinzman]

For the second round talk for Cousins thats going on, thats nonsense. No way we let him go for ONLY a second. First, he is signed for 3 more years after this one, and we have a QB that is reckless. Dont get me wrong, love RG3's style of play, but a quality backup is a necessity, and Cousins solves that problem for 2 more years on a cheap contract, especially for QB's.

If the QB drought continues for more than one year, his value doubles. If he shows that he may just be starter quality in another year or two, his values doubles again. He can be traded after 3 seasons and still have a cheap year left which is also favorable in a trade.

Its a risk to wait on him to develop, but if Cousins can continue to develop like he is, there will be a first plus other stuff at the end of the rainbow.

Lets not rush him out the door for a second and call it a victory just yet.

As for being first place in the NFC East... As for winning 5 in a row...

What a shock to be able to say that with only 2 games remaining. Guaranteed to not have a losing season and a shot at the division title with 2 games left is gonna have this town jumping. HTTR!

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Its a risk to wait on him to develop, but if Cousins can continue to develop like he is, there will be a first plus other stuff at the end of the rainbow.

No. No there will not be.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Weeden was the biggest first round reach in the last ten years.

Hold up. Give me a minute. I can think of a few.

Off the top of my head, JP Losman for Buffalo at 22 in 2004. Tyson Jackson at 3 for KC in 2009. Though probably the biggest reach I ever saw was James Carpenter at 25 for Seattle in 2011 at a position where it's relatively easy to find talent later. Third or fourth round pick at best and the fact that he tore his ACL 9 games into the 2011 season didn't help. Ironically Bruce Irvin was also considered a huge reach for Seattle at 15 in 2012 but he's paid off this year.

Oh and of course lets not forget Tim Tebow in 2010 at 25.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag59

Hold up. Give me a minute. I can think of a few.

Off the top of my head, JP Losman for Buffalo at 22 in 2004. Tyson Jackson at 3 for KC in 2009. Though probably the biggest reach I ever saw was James Carpenter at 25 for Seattle in 2011 at a position where it's relatively easy to find talent later. Third or fourth round pick at best and the fact that he tore his ACL 9 games into the 2011 season didn't help. Ironically Bruce Irvin was also considered a huge reach for Seattle at 15 in 2012 but he's paid off this year.

Oh and of course lets not forget Tim Tebow in 2010 at 25.

None of those guys would go undrafted in a redraft.