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[punch it in]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Don't we already have a Shanaplan thread?

If this thread was about anything other than Jordan Black it would be an issue. Lol.
The original Shanny thread started by Gtripp should have just been renamed instead of closed. It was a perfect funnell for all of this talk.

[Lotus]

Shanahan has a 5 year plan
Stalin had a 5 year plan

Ergo, Shanahan = Stalin

[The Goat]

To list a bunch of guys as contributors who are hurt (not playing), special teams guys, or only see the field if the rest of the position group is depleted...takes the kind of intellectual gymnastics I'm just not talented enough to understand lol.

Regardless of what you think about Mike's personnel acumen, nobody wants to seriously address/consider the significant conflict of interest associated with father and son running an organization from top to bottom. When will we know, for instance, if decisions made are best for the Shanahans or the Redskins?

One the one hand supporters of the Shanaplan say we have no defensive talent and all the credit goes to Haslett, but then turn around and (try) to create lists of the great talent Mike's acquired across the roster.

We're on a great run right now, and I hope it continues. I think trying to make the last five games into a testament of the regime's overall record is premature at best.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by The Goat

To list a bunch of guys as contributors who are hurt (not playing), special teams guys, or only see the field if the rest of the position group is depleted...takes the kind of intellectual gymnastics I'm just not talented enough to understand lol.

Regardless of what you think about Mike's personnel acumen, nobody wants to seriously address/consider the significant conflict of interest associated with father and son running an organization from top to bottom. When will we know, for instance, if decisions made are best for the Shanahans or the Redskins?

One the one hand supporters of the Shanaplan say we have no defensive talent and all the credit goes to Haslett, but then turn around and (try) to create lists of the great talent Mike's acquired across the roster.

We're on a great run right now, and I hope it continues. I think trying to make the last five games into a testament of the regime's overall record is premature at best.

please explain how a conflict of interest is even relevant here: best for the shanahans or the redskins? wtf are you talking about? You could just as easily say that Patriots fans have no way of knowing if Bill Belicheck is making decisions that are the best for Bill Belicheck or for the Patriots.

Mike Shanahan may be a head coach with final say over personnel matters, but he still reports to Bruce Allen, who reports to Daniel Snyder. If Snyder and/or Allen felt Shanahan wasnt making decisions that were best for the organization, Shanahan could be fired. The fact that his son is offensive coordinator is completely irrelevant. The only potential "conflict" that could occur is if Kyle Shanahan sucked and Mike refused to fire him. However, Kyle established himself as a brilliant offensive coordinator in Houston and he's brought nothing but excellence here. So your entire argument about a conflict of interest because the head coach and offensive coordinator are father and son is completely moronic.

About the only sensible statement in your post is that the team is on a 5 game streak. Congratuations. You accurately stated a fact. Then you ruin it by implying that we shouldnt read into it. Mike Shanahan inheritted what was probably the most dysfunctional organization with the least talented roster in the NFL. It might not have been the worst, but it was close to it. A little over 2 years later and we have a stable, sensible organization making sound football decisions. Mike Shanahan spent two years bringing sanity to the front office and building a roster that could lay a foundation for what we have now - something we havent had in 20 years - a franchise quarterback. We didnt have the quarterback in 2010 and 2011 so those years were not pretty. But we have one now and its made all the difference in our team. Mike Shanahan has changed the culture of this franchise and overturned the roster. the only thing our team is really lacking right now is a solid secondary. When is the last time you have looked over our roster and had a hard time finding more than 1 or 2 weak positions groups? If not for the salary cap penalty, and its impact in our ability to sign some quality DBs in free agency, we probably have a much better record now. When Shanahan came here, most sports reporters/media analysts thought the organization and roster was so bad, it would take 3-4 years to turn things around. We're in year 3 and things have been turned around, right on schedule. Please either stop the hate or provide some sort of substantive evidence to support your concerns.

[The Goat]

[QUOTE=BigHairedAristocrat;978007]please explain how a conflict of interest is even relevant here: best for the shanahans or the redskins? wtf are you talking about? You could just as easily say that Patriots fans have no way of knowing if Bill Belicheck is making decisions that are the best for Bill Belicheck or for the Patriots.QUOTE]

Aren't we discussing the future of the team? I keep reading about Mike moving into a full time GM role and Kyle taking over coaching, no?

If you don't see the dangers in that scenario...nevermind.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Aren't we discussing the future of the team? I keep reading about Mike moving into a full time GM role and Kyle taking over coaching, no?

If you don't see the dangers in that scenario...nevermind.

are they different from the dangers of any other scenario? if so, how?

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Shanahan has a 5 year plan
Stalin had a 5 year plan

Ergo, Shanahan = Stalin

In Soviet Russia, plan has you!

[los panda]

Originally Posted by hooskins

In Soviet Russia, plan has you!

lol

[SmootSmack]

I blame myself for asking Goat to respond

Am I the only one who realizes Andy Reid's been the HC in Philly for 14 years? It's not like he's dealing with the mess (he partly created himself) in Philly as a first year HC.

But anyhow, I'm sorry. As penance I'm giving up my moderator status for the next 5 seconds

[CRedskinsRule]

Run Amok, RUN AMOK, RUN AMOK

Not much you can do in five seconds

[JoeRedskin]

(1) Mike was discussed as coach of the year on NFL Network conditioned on the Skins making the playoffs - A fair prerequisite. He has also been discussed as COY by local media and pretty much every fan board out there (hogshaven, extremeskins etc.).
Is Shanahan a coach of the year candidate? - Rich Tandler's Real Redskins

(2) Zorn's roster was not talentless. In fact, it had some good aging talent but, as MS noted shortly after his arrival, it lacked depth of any sort. The team inherited by MS was in decline, had a dysfunctional front office and cancerous locker room - That analysis has not been "debunked" by anyone.

(3) Conflict of interest? Well that's just ignorant. As head of the Skins, if MS fails to succeed, he gets fired - ultimately, it is in his and the Skins best interest for him to succeed. If you're concerned that MS would retain his son despite the son's failure ... okay ... maybe. However, once it becomes apparent MS won't fire KS, you think Dan Snyder is likely to just wilt before him while MS tanks the team? Doubtful at best and certainly not backed by history. Once the team was clearly entrusted to Cerrato (after Gibbs II), even he was not immune.

(4) So the criticism against Shanny is now that he hasn't developed any young defensive talent outside the first round? Wow ... reaching on that one. A team with no depth hasn't filled all its holes with late round draft picks. Of course, hitting on Kerrigan, getting play from Jenkins, Crawford and Robinson ... yup - proof positive that MS can't pick defenders this time around.

(5) The criticism of Reid is weak/shallow? Please rebut the assertion he has failed to utilize Westbrook and McCoy. Please rebut the assertion that he has a reputation for poor clock management. Please rebut the assertion that he has a horrible success rate on 3rd and short.

Philadelphia Eagles: 5 Changes Andy Reid Needs To Make | Bleacher Report

(6) The Shanaplan certainly seems evident to me: (a) Build primarily through the draft with some UFA additions; (b) In both the draft and UFA acquisitions seek out "team" players; (c) Provide opportunity without favoritism; (d) Find a franchise QB.


It's very simple Goat. In almost every thing you say related to football, ...

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[Hog1]

just could not stay.....strong could you, Joe?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by hooskins

In Soviet Russia, plan has you!

This sounds like Yoda speaking in a ukraine tongue. Lol

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Run Amok, RUN AMOK, RUN AMOK

Not much you can do in five seconds

Lmao!!!! Now that is hysterical.

[JoeRedskin]

lol ... no. I am human and therefore fail. It's just that he's ... soooo ... irrational.

Mea culpa ... I shall say seven Hail SmootSmack's and six Our Matty's.