Cousins Value Skyrockets,Jets Fans Want Him!!

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

LOL. Every single player you compared RGIII to was an older player who had been playing for teams that had drafted younger guys to eventually replace them. If there is one player in the NFL who should not have to worry at all about his job security, its RGIII. He made the pro-bowl in his rookie year for a team that mortgaged their future to trade up and draft him. The skins are 100% committed to RGIII as the future. He knows this.



This is probably just about the dumbest thing you could possibly say. Unless a player is bleeding from an open wound or suffering from obvious symptoms that are easy to diagnose (like a severe concussion), the only way coaches medical staff can understand a players condition is if the player tells them. there's no portable MRI machine on the field. All the medical staff can tell is that RGIII is limping a bit. If he's not honest about how he feels and how bad the pain is, they can't make an accurate assessment of him.

Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.

[Gary84Clark]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.

Cousins is a good back up. Bledsoe was the starter but he had never perfromed on the level Brady performed on when he got hurt. Brady gave NE sometinhg they never saw before. Cousin may do good but I doubt he will do it and look better than RG3 ever has. Plus Bledsoe was garbage in todays post Tom Brady standards.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Drew Bledsoe before the offseason he got injured signed a then record 103 million dollar contract. And was in the NFL for I believe 8 years? So you are telling me he did not think his job was guaranteed right before that season started. Remember the controversy it created when he got healthy again? Imagine if Griffin got hurt and Cousins passes for 200 yards in the second half and wins the game and then wins in ATL next week. You think his job would be guaranteed or do you think if he has one bad game people wouldn't start calling for Cousins? Alex Smith was told repeatedly he was the starter but then he got hurt and Jim went with the impact player.

That is the reasons you pay trainers. To be able to determine whether or not the player can play. It is their job to determine whether or not they can play. Not the Players. What is the point of having a trainer if the player is the one who is just going to say I will play. Trainer is payed to look for signs to determine whether or not they can play and to give a quick diagnosis. If they don't do that what is the point of having trainers.

What i'm saying is comparing RGIII, a rookie a team traded up in the draft to get, to an injured veteran NFL player fending of a talented young guy is completed stupid. Its apples and oranges. More like apples and tennis shoes.

Alex Smith has never had job security because he's never played particularly well. He was told repeatedly he was the starter - all the while the team has been trying to acquire someone to replace him. Or did you forget about SF's pursuit of Peyton Manning?

You are right about one and only one thing - its the team's job to determine if a player is allowed to play or not - but the team's staff cant do that job if the player lies to them and is not forthcoming about how he feels. It doesnt matter how many trainers you have - they are incapeable of doing their job if the player does not cooperate.

[MTK]

Cousins is the future after all.

He cannot be traded.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Cousins is the future after all.

He cannot be traded.

The future back up of course. Having a strong back up QB has been a need for us since Todd Cocktail Collins and is an essential these days. Look at the Vikings Saturday night. I guarentee in the offseason they will be looking for an experienced back up.

[donofriose]

How about we develop Griffin into a pocket passer. Get rid of the option. Make him into a clone of Aaron Rogers. Just like he was at Baylor and he showed great potential in his ability to make throws from the pocket or on bootlegs.

[GTripp0012]

Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...

Trading Cousins is off the table as long as our QB continues to display poor decisions when he decides to run. (out of bounds/sliding) He isn't going to last.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...

At this point, I dont think there is an offer that a team would actually make that would be worth accepting. RGIII only started (and finished) 13 of 17 games this year. Without Cousins, we probably don't win the baltimore and cleaveland games and arent in the playoffs. Good quarterbacks are very hard to find. We cant count on finding one late in the draft - that would likely leave us with someone like Joe Webb or John Beck or Rex Grossman at quarterback.... its not a situation we want to be in.

Right now, Cousins is more valueable to this team than anything another team would offer us in a trade. If RGIII makes it through the next two seasons without missing any time, then i consider moving Cousins, but not before then.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Remember in the discussion of trading cousins for draft picks, that the redskins can replace cousins through the draft with a 5th or 6th round pick in most years (though perhaps not this draft).

If rg3 is questionable to begin next season, then trading cousins is realistically off the table, but still if a team blows you away...

Trade Kirk for two 2nd-rounders, use one on a QB...profit!


Honestly, I'd prefer to keep Cousins. He's proven that he can be effective and we NEED a capable backup just in case anything happens to RGIII, which is likely.

Hopefully Griffin won't have Vick's games played record, averaging about 12 games a year, but if he does get beat up that much, Kirk can help carry us.

I'm hopeful that because Griffin's passing abilities are worlds better than Vick's ever were, he won't have to rely on his legs as much as Vick and will last longer.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Trade Kirk for two 2nd-rounders, use one on a QB...profit!

Honestly, I'd prefer to keep Cousins. He's proven that he can be effective and we NEED a capable backup just in case anything happens to RGIII, which is likely.

Hopefully Griffin won't have Vick's games played record, averaging about 12 games a year, but if he does get beat up that much, Kirk can help carry us.

I'm hopeful that because Griffin's passing abilities are worlds better than Vick's ever were, he won't have to rely on his legs as much as Vick and will last longer.

Thats the only way you could justify trading cousins. Of course, if there was a 2nd round player who was equivalent to Cousins in value, the other team would just draft that player and not trade with us in the first place. I cant envision any situation where we'd get an offer worth taking for Cousins.

At this point, Griffin has suffered two major injuries to the same knee in the past 4 years. Whenever the third happens - and it will, eventually - it could end his career.

In the seasons he was healthy in college, he didnt miss any games, but 1) those were shorter seasons and 2) he wasnt taking the hits he's taking from NFL defenses.

I think 12 game seasons are what we can expect from Griffin, which makes having a good backup like Cousins critical to our success. Griffin is the teams most valuable player, but i dont think he's so much better than cousins that we want him playing if he's less than 100%. Its just not worth the long-term risk.