Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

[rbanerjee23]

Well in that case I have a newfound respect for Shanahan's/Allen's prescience -- I also didn't realize it was okay to throw away a season to wait for a new QB. They should have told the people who bought tickets for the games

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

So going back to 2011, who would you have brought in to play QB?

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Well in that case I have a newfound respect for Shanahan's/Allen's prescience -- I also didn't realize it was okay to throw away a season to wait for a new QB. They should have told the people who bought tickets for the games

See, here is part of the problem. Its the same problem I have with GTripp. You both seem to to think that building a team in the NFL is a one year proposition. Where you say throw away a season, I say didnt get locked into a bad QB and waste 4 or 5 seasons. I have tried to make the case that passing on Gabbert was a good thing, and the responses I get are more about me having an attitude because I believe that the only way to build a team is "my way".

But the whole "All it takes is one year" is a clear sign that no team building is needed by the people who say it. And that is flat out wrong. If that was right, then Vinny Cerrato is the greatest GM to ever grace the planet. He made the most 1 year moves I have ever seen.

Finding the RIGHT QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. He found it... yet all you say (and others like you) is that a season was wasted.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

See, here is part of the problem. Its the same problem I have with GTripp. You both seem to to think that building a team in the NFL is a one year proposition. Where you say throw away a season, I say didnt get locked into a bad QB and waste 4 or 5 seasons. I have tried to make the case that passing on Gabbert was a good thing, and the responses I get are more about me having an attitude because I believe that the only way to build a team is "my way".

But the whole "All it takes is one year" is a clear sign that no team building is needed by the people who say it. And that is flat out wrong. If that was right, then Vinny Cerrato is the greatest GM to ever grace the planet. He made the most 1 year moves I have ever seen.

Finding the RIGHT QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. He found it... yet all you say (and others like you) is that a season was wasted.

I agree. If we had drafted Gabbert, Ponder, or traded up for Locker our franchise probably would have been handicapped for another 3-4 years, similar to Jason Campbell or Ramsey picks for the skins, because that is what happens when you reach for quarterbacks (the Jets are a perfect example). One offseason/draft will not and would not have fixed the Redskins, we are still a couple of more moves from being true contenders for the superbowl, nice seeing the pieces being built though. It is a lot easier when you have the right quarterback though.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I agree. If we had drafted Gabbert, Ponder, or traded up for Locker our franchise probably would have been handicapped for another 3-4 years, similar to Jason Campbell or Ramsey picks for the skins, because that is what happens when you reach for quarterbacks (the Jets are a perfect example). One offseason/draft will not and would not have fixed the Redskins, we are still a couple of more moves from being true contenders for the superbowl, nice seeing the pieces being built though. It is a lot easier when you have the right quarterback though.

Exactly, hindsight is a beautiful thing.. I guran-damn-tee it that those same people focused on Rex/Beck would be bitching up a storm if Gabbert/Ponder/Locker was our QB and struggling while our pass rush from the LB position was negligible. Now they would be saying 'We should have drafted JJ Watt or Ryan Kerrigan and waited on a QB! Look at what the rookie QB are doing!'
Plus even if we had drafted Gabbert/Ponder/Locker, we probably would have started Rex/Beck anyways. Even without RG3, there's not a realistic alternative that was available at the QB position in 2010 or 2011 that would have gotten us at the cusp of an NFC East title at this point.

Some folks are just pre-disposed to complain and focus on the negative.

[rbanerjee23]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

See, here is part of the problem. Its the same problem I have with GTripp. You both seem to to think that building a team in the NFL is a one year proposition. Where you say throw away a season, I say didnt get locked into a bad QB and waste 4 or 5 seasons. I have tried to make the case that passing on Gabbert was a good thing, and the responses I get are more about me having an attitude because I believe that the only way to build a team is "my way".

But the whole "All it takes is one year" is a clear sign that no team building is needed by the people who say it. And that is flat out wrong. If that was right, then Vinny Cerrato is the greatest GM to ever grace the planet. He made the most 1 year moves I have ever seen.

Finding the RIGHT QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. He found it... yet all you say (and others like you) is that a season was wasted.

No, I agree that wasting 1 year is better than wasting 4-5 -- I just wish I would have known that they didn't expect anything out of the season so that I as a fan would have know that 2011 didn't really count.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

See, here is part of the problem. Its the same problem I have with GTripp. You both seem to to think that building a team in the NFL is a one year proposition. Where you say throw away a season, I say didnt get locked into a bad QB and waste 4 or 5 seasons. I have tried to make the case that passing on Gabbert was a good thing, and the responses I get are more about me having an attitude because I believe that the only way to build a team is "my way".

But the whole "All it takes is one year" is a clear sign that no team building is needed by the people who say it. And that is flat out wrong. If that was right, then Vinny Cerrato is the greatest GM to ever grace the planet. He made the most 1 year moves I have ever seen.

Finding the RIGHT QB is the most important piece to any NFL team. He found it... yet all you say (and others like you) is that a season was wasted.

We're in year three now so whether or not an organization can be turned in the right direction within the first year is not a relevant discussion to the Shanahan Redskins.

Finding the right quarterback doesn't matter if you win 33% of your games. If you are winning 60% and have a 22-year old franchise quarterback, then you have accomplished something special.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by rbanerjee23

Well in that case I have a newfound respect for Shanahan's/Allen's prescience -- I also didn't realize it was okay to throw away a season to wait for a new QB. They should have told the people who bought tickets for the games

1) it's not prescience to be evaluating 1-2 years ahead of what positions might be better to draft this year, and what might be better next year. The same could be said this year, when the draft is supposed to be deeper then the past few in defensive backs, and that happens to be a position of need.

2) evaluating talent often is a negative result more than it is a positive, meaning: do we want to pay price x(10th overall pick, or 8.5 Million existing contract, or FA asking 30mill over 2 years) for this player's talent level. If the answer is no then you roll with what you have and try to scheme around it.

Putting these two points together, you can see one(or more) rational explanation that doesn't rely on MS psychic abilities.

During evaluation phases, MS,KS, BA and scouts looked at all the pro and college qbs available in the off-season leading up to last season. They looked at a known quantity of Rex (ie with Rex will get us between 6 and 10 wins), along with a potential qb in Beck. Hindsight really does show us that the assessment of most of last years draft class was correct, and that they would not have presented long or short term gains over that, while this year, even had we won the top out number there would have been several candidates with better upside.

I don't think any of this logic is more or less than what a fan would reasonably expect of a solid FO trying to present both the best possible short term, and the highest upside long term.