Black Monday: NFL Coaches and Executives Carousel

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

ESPN said earlier that Cleveland wants saban really bad, I just don't see him being a great NFL head coach. Chip Kelly may stay at Oregon, they will offer him a great deal I'm sure but we'll see. I agree with Wiz he was good in Arizona.

Really don't see Saban in Cleveland. Chip Kelly is being pretty heavily pursued by Philly and Cleveland. I think he likes the idea of San Diego. If I was Carolina, I'd call him.

Reid in Arizona, does that mean he'll be the GM there too?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really don't see Saban in Cleveland. Chip Kelly is being pretty heavily pursued by Philly and Cleveland. I think he likes the idea of San Diego. If I was Carolina, I'd call him.

I think anyone would be crazy to leave Alabama for Cleveland and inherit their mess. Kelly seems like the kind of coach who would want to be in charge of all personel and football operations.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I think anyone would be crazy to leave Alabama for Cleveland and inherit their mess. Kelly seems like the kind of coach who would want to be in charge of all personel and football operations.

Cleveland is not a mess they have many really good young players, a few more pieces and they are ready to contend. The Jets are a mess.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Cleveland is not a mess they have many really good young players, a few more pieces and they are ready to contend. The Jets are a mess.

I will agree with that. I said that statement thinking of the Cleveland organization as a whole throughout the years instead of just looking at the team and its potential. Good young defense, good young oline. Weeden to me does not seem comfortable playing in the NFL though, they seem to missing a QB and an offensive playmaker. I take back the earlier statement.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Cleveland is not a mess they have many really good young players, a few more pieces and they are ready to contend. The Jets are a mess.

The Jets, like most teams, need to make better personnel decisions. Step one was firing Tannenbaum. They have a pretty good defense and an okay running game. After QB, they need some playmakers on offense (besides Holmes).

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I think anyone would be crazy to leave Alabama for Cleveland and inherit their mess. Kelly seems like the kind of coach who would want to be in charge of all personel and football operations.

Saban is believed to only be interested in a warm weather locale

Kelly has said there is one person he has on mind who would be his GM. No idea who that is though, and it would seem that person would just be a lackey

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Reid in Arizona, does that mean he'll be the GM there too?

One would assume he'd take that role on as well.



Also, what's the deal with the Chiefs?

Clark Hunt, Kansas City Chiefs CEO, taking on bigger role - ESPN


According to this, Hunt is stepping into the front to be a liaison between the head coach and GM (Pioli). The coach will be reporting directly to him and not to the GM.

"The GM and coach won't always have the same perspective," Hunt said. "But they found a way to get to common ground and make decisions, and that will really be my role, finding the right path for the Chiefs and helping the guys make decisions together."

I get a sense that there is a lot of friction between Pioli and the coaches (Crennel/Haley), and that it's come to the point that he's going to be the in between guy now to eliminate the issues. Used the prior relationship between Marty and Peterson to highlight this.

Am I reading more into this than what's there?

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

ESPN said earlier that Cleveland wants saban really bad, I just don't see him being a great NFL head coach. Chip Kelly may stay at Oregon, they will offer him a great deal I'm sure but we'll see. I agree with Wiz he was good in Arizona.

Saban was an assistant coach for Belichick in Cleveland. Belichick had quite the coaching staff and personnel in Cleveland, the move to Baltimore screwed everything for Belichick. He had Saban, Schwartz, Mangini, Ferentz, Michael Lombardi, Ozzie Newsome, Pioli, Demitroff, Phil Savage, Mike Tannenbaum. That is impressive, 6 GM's, 3 NFL coaches (4 if you count Belichick), 2 college coaches. Belichick was surrounded with lots of brain power.

Watch this piece if you get a chance, great stuff!

NFL Communications - Story of 1995 Cleveland Browns Detailed on NFL Network’s ‘Cleveland ’95: A Football Life’ «

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Saban was an assistant coach for Belichick in Cleveland. Belichick had quite the coaching staff and personnel in Cleveland, the move to Baltimore screwed everything for Belichick. He had Saban, Schwartz, Mangini, Ferentz, Michael Lombardi, Ozzie Newsome, Pioli, Demitroff, Phil Savage, Mike Tannenbaum. That is impressive, 6 GM's, 3 NFL coaches (4 if you count Belichick), 2 college coaches. Belichick was surrounded with lots of brain power.

Watch this piece if you get a chance, great stuff!

NFL Communications - Story of 1995 Cleveland Browns Detailed on NFL Network’s ‘Cleveland ’95: A Football Life’ «

I saw that today. Wow

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Really don't see Saban in Cleveland. Chip Kelly is being pretty heavily pursued by Philly and Cleveland. I think he likes the idea of San Diego. If I was Carolina, I'd call him.

Reid in Arizona, does that mean he'll be the GM there too?

I don't think Reid would work well as the GM and HC but then again he's a damn good football guy so who knows.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

I don't think Reid would work well as the GM and HC but then again he's a damn good football guy so who knows.

I thought he was basically in charge of all football operations until 2 or 3 seasons ago. There was Heckert but I always thought and heard that the person with the final say was Reid, basically making him in charge of everything.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I thought he was basically in charge of all football operations until 2 or 3 seasons ago. There was Heckert but I always thought and heard that the person with the final say was Reid, basically making him in charge of everything.

That could be right, if so then yes he could be GM and HC. Arizona isn't as bad off as they looked, the offense is bad but in a couple seasons Reid could turn that around.

[skinsfaninok]

Browns are better off than Buffalo and SD IMO.

[CultBrennan59]

The thing that sucks for the Jets, Browns, Cardinals, and Bills is that they need QBs, and theres not many QBs in this draft (no RG3's or Andrew Lucks; Maybe someone that can play close to Russell Wilson, but even thats stretching it), so they all have that same non appeal to many potential head coaches looking to go to those places. So I expect all those teams to still be bottom dwellers in the league. Now if one of those teams gets a healthy Mike Vick or possibly Alex Smith, maybe they can be middle of the pack teams.

[SmootSmack]

I think Hunt is trying to force Pioli to resign. Maybe it's a money thing why he won't fire him?

I heard from some pretty reliable people that after Sunday's game Hubt asked Manning why he didn't consider the Chiefs. And Manning supposedly told him he wanted no part of an organization where Pioli was in charge. I don't know why he said that, but that's pretty damning. Manning's rejection is allegedly a big reason the Titans let Mike Reinfeldt go as well