Are you buying into the Shanaplan?

[SmootSmack]

I think the Eagles are actually in pretty good shape as far as having draft picks and even cap room moving forward, particularly when they move Vick.

I don't think their turnaround time will be too long

I'm curious what Reid's legacy will be. Like if I were an Eagles fan, would I look back on these past 14 years and say "We really had one of the better franchises for nearly a decade and a half" or would I say "Reid stayed too long and for what? No rings. Had we made a change a few years back maybe we'd have at least one ring"

[MTK]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the Eagles are actually in pretty good shape as far as having draft picks and even cap room moving forward, particularly when they move Vick.

I don't think their turnaround time will be too long

I'm curious what Reid's legacy will be. Like if I were an Eagles fan, would I look back on these past 14 years and say "We really had one of the better franchises for nearly a decade and a half" or would I say "Reid stayed too long and for what? No rings. Had we made a change a few years back maybe we'd have at least one ring"

Knowing Eagles fans they are saying good riddance.

Depending on who their next coach is, I think in time they may look back and have a different view on Reid. Or at least they should... he had a lot of success there. Granted they didn't win it all, but still. Let's see them go through 20 years of mediocrity like we have post Gibbs 1.0 and see how they feel.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Knowing Eagles fans they are saying good riddance.

Depending on who their next coach is, I think in time they may look back and have a different view on Reid. Or at least they should... he had a lot of success there. Granted they didn't win it all, but still. Let's see them go through 20 years of mediocrity like we have post Gibbs 1.0 and see how they feel.

As someone who has several friends who are eagles fans, you are correct. Theyre my friends, but from a football fan perspective, theyre like spoiled little children. Other than New England, i dont think any other organization has had as much success over the past 14 years as the Eagles. The Giants have been very good recently, but as soon as Coughlin retires, they'll be doo-doo.

Reid is THE reason the franchise has been as successful as it has the past few years. I dont care who they hire - the chances of him having even half the success as Reid is slim. I just dont get this move. Dont fire your GOOD head coach unless you have someone better lined up. The eagles dont have anyone better lined up. their rumored list of HC candiates is full of people who havent proven a thing and/or been less successful than Reid. Its like they made a change just to make a change. It just doesnt make sense to me.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

As someone who has several friends who are eagles fans, you are correct. Theyre my friends, but from a football fan perspective, theyre like spoiled little children. Other than New England, i dont think any other organization has had as much success over the past 14 years as the Eagles. The Giants have been very good recently, but as soon as Coughlin retires, they'll be doo-doo.

Reid is THE reason the franchise has been as successful as it has the past few years. I dont care who they hire - the chances of him having even half the success as Reid is slim. I just dont get this move. Dont fire your GOOD head coach unless you have someone better lined up. The eagles dont have anyone better lined up. their rumored list of HC candiates is full of people who havent proven a thing and/or been less successful than Reid. Its like they made a change just to make a change. It just doesnt make sense to me.

2010 and before they were a good organization, ever since then... not so much. Everyone could tell that team was going downhill fast. Reid needed Johnson and once he lost him as a DC that team completely changed. Reid banked on Vick and he lost. He lost his touch and needs a fresh start. The eagles started to build their team like the Skins of old (signing a bunch of big name free agents) and now they realized, just like we did the hard way, you do not build a team like you do in Madden. Sometimes it is just time, similar to Shanahan at Denver

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

As someone who has several friends who are eagles fans, you are correct. Theyre my friends, but from a football fan perspective, theyre like spoiled little children. Other than New England, i dont think any other organization has had as much success over the past 14 years as the Eagles. The Giants have been very good recently, but as soon as Coughlin retires, they'll be doo-doo.

Reid is THE reason the franchise has been as successful as it has the past few years. I dont care who they hire - the chances of him having even half the success as Reid is slim. I just dont get this move. Dont fire your GOOD head coach unless you have someone better lined up. The eagles dont have anyone better lined up. their rumored list of HC candiates is full of people who havent proven a thing and/or been less successful than Reid. Its like they made a change just to make a change. It just doesnt make sense to me.

There are quite a few years of SB winners that will disagree with that first bolded statement. They made the SB once but have still never won it as a franchise. I would take a SB victory with a few bad years mixed in than a visit but nothing else in their existence. They dont drop far on the list, but only one team with more success?

As to the second, the Eagles have been irrelevant since the loss of Jim Johnson. That defense allowed Reid to be successful with flawed QB's. Reid could never get away from the passing game enough to realize that he always had better RB's than he did QB's. Westbrook/McNabb... Im taking Westbrook. Im also Taking Shady over Vick/Kolb/Foles.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think the Eagles are actually in pretty good shape as far as having draft picks and even cap room moving forward, particularly when they move Vick.

I don't think their turnaround time will be too long

I'm curious what Reid's legacy will be. Like if I were an Eagles fan, would I look back on these past 14 years and say "We really had one of the better franchises for nearly a decade and a half" or would I say "Reid stayed too long and for what? No rings. Had we made a change a few years back maybe we'd have at least one ring"

Safe to say this is a critical time for the Eagles? They do have some nice offensive talent, decent in terms of picks and cap room but they've got nothing of note to build around on defense, their OL is ok but aging at key places. The right coach can come in and turn around quickly or the wrong guy can crater them into a full rebuild.

I've got lots of family who are Eagles fans who have been calling for the end of Reid for at least 5 years. Those type of fans are in the second line of your thought but I think in a couple of years they will yearn for the consistency of winning 9-12 games per season of most of the Reid era.