Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

I'm glad we dont have the money then.

No way.
We could have had Dunta Robinson or kept Hall and then our pick of a FA safety or two.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

No way.
We could have had Dunta Robinson or kept Hall and then our pick of a FA safety or two.

Eric Winston.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

I'm glad we dont have the money then.

Seriously. I guarantee in a couple years, we're going to look back on this cap penalty and realize that it probably helped us by saving us from ourselves. This needs to be a building phase for our team where we collect as much young talent as possible so we are better off in the future. This cap penalty is forcing us to make the absolute most out of our draft picks and allow these guys to play and develop.

If we didn't have the cap penalty, we'd just be overspending on free agents that are going to be 30 years old soon in order to maybe get a few more short-term wins. This strategy does not work in the long term, as I hope you guys have figured out these last 13 years under Dan Snyder. If that hasn't taught you how to not build a team, I don't know what will. Our team is more than 1 or 2 players away from a Super Bowl. We need to keep having good picks and developing young guys. Then maybe you can sign a couple big name free agents when you have a team that is ready to go to a Super Bowl and just needs a little extra push.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Seriously. I guarantee in a couple years, we're going to look back on this cap penalty and realize that it probably helped us by saving us from ourselves. This needs to be a building phase for our team where we collect as much young talent as possible so we are better off in the future. This cap penalty is forcing us to make the absolute most out of our draft picks and allow these guys to play and develop.

If we didn't have the cap penalty, we'd just be overspending on free agents that are going to be 30 years old soon in order to maybe get a few more short-term wins. This strategy does not work in the long term, as I hope you guys have figured out these last 13 years under Dan Snyder. If that hasn't taught you how to not build a team, I don't know what will. Our team is more than 1 or 2 players away from a Super Bowl. We need to keep having good picks and developing young guys. Then maybe you can sign a couple big name free agents when you have a team that is ready to go to a Super Bowl and just needs a little extra push.

Build off draft picks, find a gem in free agency or through trades every once a while, and every 5 years you can get a big name that you believe is the sole missing piece, but not the building block.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

I'm glad we dont have the money then.

With the way this regime adds FA who have an impact this should bother you. We could use Cox and Smith. Eric Winston as some else said not to mention a real set of NFL Ss.

Yea we won the division this last year but what if we would have won a playoff game or two. Or had a better chance of being even better this year. Or not losing a guy like Zo and Davis, I know we haven't yet but the writing is on the wall with these guys.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

So what do you guys think players like Cofield, Wilson, Bowen, Garcon, and Carricker are? I would say they are building blocks and foundations of the team.

Yea we need to draft quality player but when was having to many good players a problem?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

So what do you guys think players like Cofield, Wilson, Bowen, Garcon, and Carricker are? I would say they are building blocks and foundations of the team.

Yea we need to draft quality player but when was having to many good players a problem?

carriker isn't a great example, as he's cost us almost nothing.

every year some of the best FA moves are the ones people didn't make. we could sign revis for 10m a year and have him tear an acl immediately or not live up to the contract. outside of byrd (who never hit FA) i don't see a ton of FAs we absolutely have to have. there's a bunch of good DBs (in the draft too), but not a ton of difference makers. mike wallace would be nice i guess, but we're already paying about a billion dollars to WRs next year anyways.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

With the way this regime adds FA who have an impact this should bother you. We could use Cox and Smith. Eric Winston as some else said not to mention a real set of NFL Ss.

Yea we won the division this last year but what if we would have won a playoff game or two. Or had a better chance of being even better this year. Or not losing a guy like Zo and Davis, I know we haven't yet but the writing is on the wall with these guys.

Its my opinion that you improve your team through the draft. That would be way too many free agent signings. Biggest winners in March end up being losers in December more often than not. Watch what happens with Miami.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I think you are misunderstanding me, I agree that teams build through the draft but it doesn't hurt to add a few playmakers or keep your own guys.

This penalty sux no matter how you look at it.

[FRPLG]

At some point Mara and Lurie will need Dan's support on something...I doubt they'll enjoy his response.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

At some point Mara and Lurie will need Dan's support on something...I doubt they'll enjoy his response.

Something like in the line of go **** yourselfs!! Assholes!!

[donofriose]

I would not consider Wilson, Bowen, Cofield and Carricker building blocks. Could you find better players out their in the draft? In my opinion yes. Are they irreplaceable? Definitely not. Garçon maybe, but he needs to play in more than 10 games to consider him a building block.

The Redskins building blocks to me are Williams, Orakpo, Kerrigan, Griffin and Morris. You build an oline around Williams knowing he has the left side covered, you build your defense around Kerrigan/Orakpo knowing they will get pressure and contain (even though in my opinion Kerrigan was not that good without Orakpo), and obviously you build an offense around Griffins abilities and Morris being able to carry the load with around 25 carries a game. I do not think any one of these players are nearly as replaceable as the ones that the Redskins have signed through free agency. The only for sure exception was Fletcher, but I am not sure what to expect from him anymore.

[REDSKINS4ever]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I would not consider Wilson, Bowen, Cofield and Carricker building blocks. Could you find better players out their in the draft? In my opinion yes. Are they irreplaceable? Definitely not. Garçon maybe, but he needs to play in more than 10 games to consider him a building block.

The Redskins building blocks to me are Williams, Orakpo, Kerrigan, Griffin and Morris. You build an oline around Williams knowing he has the left side covered, you build your defense around Kerrigan/Orakpo knowing they will get pressure and contain (even though in my opinion Kerrigan was not that good without Orakpo), and obviously you build an offense around Griffins abilities and Morris being able to carry the load with around 25 carries a game. I do not think any one of these players are nearly as replaceable as the ones that the Redskins have signed through free agency. The only for sure exception was Fletcher, but I am not sure what to expect from him anymore.

I totally concur with that.

[warriorzpath]

What's the point in having a free agency vs the draft discussion? Because its better to pick up good players both ways. It's like having this discussion: Redskins Defense vs the Redskins Offense. Bottom line is everyone's on the same team. And to really have a good team, you really need to be good at both.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

What's the point in having a free agency vs the draft discussion? Because its better to pick up good players both ways. It's like having this discussion: Redskins Defense vs the Redskins Offense. Bottom line is everyone's on the same team. And to really have a good team, you really need to be good at both.

Because the draft can get you very underpaid players. Free agency usually goes to the top bidder. The teams that are good for a long period of time usually draft well, they are constantly having youth that is underpaid on their team keeping their cap manageable.

While that may not be the situation every time, it does seem to bear out over the long run. Just compare the Redskins of the past 20 years compared to the last couple. The Eagles for the longest time were a good team. Now that being the dream team is more important, how has their record been?

IMO, free agency should be used to supplement what you have built during the draft. Not saying to ignore FA, but the main building of the team cant be FA or you will always have what we had for the longest time. Some top talent, but no where near enough overall talent and zero depth. Cant afford that when you are paying FA prices for everyone.