Around the league divisional weekend

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Originally Posted by donofriose

What I am saying is there is a difference between being the main guy and the reason your team wins a superbowl versus some one who is along for the ride. Similar to Michael Jordan vs Robert Horry.

I understand what you are saying, I'm just saying you can't use super bowl rings as a decider between two players, but say it's invalid in another case of comparing two people. I'm going to let you all think about how retarded that logic is. Teams win super bowls, not players. If Brady and Manning had equal teams, you might would have a point. Fact is, they didn't. Never have. Patriots defense and Vinateri are a huge reason to that success. In fact, if it wasn't for Vinateri, you can take away 2 of those Super Bowls.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I understand what you are saying, I'm just saying you can't use super bowl rings as a decider between two players, but say it's invalid in another case of comparing two people. I'm going to let you all think about how retarded that logic is. Teams win super bowls, not players. If Brady and Manning had equal teams, you might would have a point. Fact is, they didn't. Never have. Patriots defense and Vinateri are a huge reason to that success. In fact, if it wasn't for Vinateri, you can take away 2 of those Super Bowls.

Peyton Manning lost a lot of those playoff games due to poor play. Peyton Manning had talented offenses with potential hall of famers all around. You could argue that Peyton Manning put his teams in terrible positions for a lot of those games. In his superbowl run he threw 7 interceptions to 4 touchdowns... To me its like comparing a great post season player vs a great regular season player.

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Originally Posted by donofriose

Peyton Manning lost a lot of those playoff games due to poor play. Peyton Manning had talented offenses with potential hall of famers all around. You could argue that Peyton Manning put his teams in terrible positions for a lot of those games. In his superbowl run he threw 7 interceptions to 4 touchdowns... To me its like comparing a great post season player vs a great regular season player.

I suggest you go back and look at the defenses these teams had. It makes a huge difference. I mean a HUGE difference. Peyton was going against a defense that ranked in top 5 in scoring defense while Brady was going against a shitty Colts that ranked close to last.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I suggest you go back and look at the defenses these teams had. It makes a huge difference. I mean a HUGE difference. Peyton was going against a defense that ranked in top 5 in scoring defense while Brady was going against a shitty Colts that ranked close to last.

If you remember their defense played very well in the playoffs. But Peyton would throw 2 or three picks. I think Peyton Manning is the greatest regular season QB ever. But when it came playoff time his defense played well and they still lost.