Around the league divisional weekend

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Peyton Manning loses in the playoffs

Tenn 16-19...19/42 227 yrds 0 touchdowns
@ Mia 17-23... 17/32 194 yds 1 touchdown
@ NYJ 0-41... 14/31 137 yards 2 interceptions
@ NE 14-24... 23/47 237 yards 1 TD 4 Interceptions
@ NE 3-20... 27/42 238 yards 1 Interceptions
Pitt 18-21... 22/38 290 yards 1 touchdown
Super bowl run... 97/153 3 touchdowns 7 interceptions
San Diego... 24-28... 3 touchdowns 2 interceptions
San Diego 17-23... 1 touchdown
Superbowl... 17-31 331 yards 1 touchdown 1 int (looks like the offense scored a lot but as you remember when the Colts needed a touchdown Manning threw a pic 6).
NYJ 16-19... 18/26 225 yards 1 touchdown
Baltimore 35-38... 290 yards 3 touchdowns 3 T.O.

The only game I see where his defense let him down was the Denver game... except he played bad that game too and had a pic 6, a fumble with the lead, and threw an INT when the Broncos had the ball at midfield. These scores look like the defense came to play but Manning played poorly. People thought Manning didn't have a good defense but in the playoffs the defense would play well, similar to NE last year, by the way the 2nd worst defense of all time was in the superbowl thanks to a Tom Brady. Manning gets all the credit in the regular season but none of the blame during the postseason. The scores of the games he played in speak for themselves. He played poorly. The record and stats show it.

And he has played on 2 good teams, the " he hasn't had a good D" excuse is old. Brady is the better QB the playoff records speaks volumes. There have been years where Brady had average receivers and defense and still won.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

And he has played on 2 good teams, the " he hasn't had a good D" excuse is old. Brady is the better QB the playoff records speaks volumes. There have been years where Brady had average receivers and defense and still won.

Not too average if they are catching balls and helping Tom get those wins. The difference is that their offense has evolved over the years and is a faster pace offense now. Average defenses? If you look back, a couple of their defenses were average on yards per game, NOT PPG allowed. I'm quite positive most of his SB teams had a top 5 defense in the PPG allowed category.


Again, if you use playoff wins as your judgment, then Timmy Smith is a better RB than Barry Sanders. This is exactly what you are arguing.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Not too average if they are catching balls and helping Tom get those wins. The difference is that their offense has evolved over the years and is a faster pace offense now. Average defenses? If you look back, a couple of their defenses were average on yards per game, NOT PPG allowed. I'm quite positive most of his SB teams had a top 5 defense in the PPG allowed category.


Again, if you use playoff wins as your judgment, then Timmy Smith is a better RB than Barry Sanders. This is exactly what you are arguing.

I'm arguing 12 years of history and stats, Brady in 2001 became the starter and his regular season, playoffs and 3 SB wins say it all. Manning has had many chances and always chokes at the crucial moments as the stats state. Brady is clutch.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

I'm arguing 12 years of history and stats, Brady in 2001 became the starter and his regular season, playoffs and 3 SB wins say it all. Manning has had many chances and always chokes at the crucial moments as the stats state. Brady is clutch.

I do think Brady is clutch, but I think his defense gives him more opportunities on the field. Also, he's lost the last 2 super bowls, does that make him less clutch than what he was before?


I'll ask you the same question. Brady is having to face off on the #27 ranked defense to move on in the playoffs. Manning is having to face off on the #5 defense to move on in the playoffs. Which one of these guys will face a harder time moving on? Does Tom have it easier or does Peyton? If both of these QBs are equal, which one do you suspect to move on?

It's quite simple deduction. Peyton hasn't fared as well because he simply was facing stiffer competition than Brady.

[skinsfanthru&thru]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I do think Brady is clutch, but I think his defense gives him more opportunities on the field. Also, he's lost the last 2 super bowls, does that make him less clutch than what he was before?


I'll ask you the same question. Brady is having to face off on the #27 ranked defense to move on in the playoffs. Manning is having to face off on the #5 defense to move on in the playoffs. Which one of these guys will face a harder time moving on? Does Tom have it easier or does Peyton? If both of these QBs are equal, which one do you suspect to move on?

It's quite simple deduction. Peyton hasn't fared as well because he simply was facing stiffer competition than Brady.

You make it seem like Brady has only faced the worst defenses on his way towards his rings whereas Manning has only faced the sternest competition. If the Patriots lose next week against a common opponent because Brady has a pick 6, a fumble, and an int in OT then maybe you'll have some validity to your argument, but the fact is Brady has lead his team to 6 game winning drives during the playoffs vs 1 for Manning. When it's mattered most Brady has shown he's who you should want orchestrating that final drive.