Around the league divisional weekend

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Manning's career post season QB rating: 86

Brady's career post season QB rating: 86



LOL. Exactly the same. ROFFFFFFFFFL.

Manning: 32 touchowns 21 interceptions
Brady: 41 touchdowns 20 interceptions.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Manning: 32 touchowns 21 interceptions
Brady: 41 touchdowns 20 interceptions.

Just stop. I showed you were their playoff career QB rating is equal. If Manning had just as many games as Brady did, I'm sure his TD (and INTs) would be much greater. Again, when you have a shitty defense, you have to carry the team.



...and continue saying the WR didn't let the ball hit his hands and bounce up. It did. Even the commentator said that Peyton put the ball right were he supposed to.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Just stop. I showed you were their playoff career QB rating is equal. If Manning had just as many games as Brady did, I'm sure his TD (and INTs) would be much greater. Again, when you have a shitty defense, you have to carry the team.



...and continue saying the WR didn't let the ball hit his hands and bounce up. It did. Even the commentator said that Peyton put the ball right were he supposed to.

The commentator said he thought it should have been pass interference. I remember that specific play. You can clearly see Brown got hand on that pass and there was little to no chance Stokley was going to catch it. It was a dangerous high risk pass, Manning should have put the ball low and away so that the defender had no chance of making a play, he but the ball high and made Stokley slow down on the play, hence why he was slowing down and the defender ran into him. The pass was a high risk low reward pass with good coverage, they would not have even gotten the first down. Again you can say it was pass interference, but to say that was a good pass and it was Stokley's fault would be incorrect.

Seeing that Manning already had more interceptions than Brady in playoff games while playing less games and he would increase that total actually proves my point further.

So this year he gets a good defense statistically while his defense plays poorly in the playoffs and he loses.

Before that his defense played well in the playoffs but was bad statistically and he loses.

But no matter what its on the defense.

He has led one game winning drive his entire career in the playoffs. But has been given the opportunity to do so 8 times. Guess who has the same amount of game winning drives... Tim Tebow... who by the way took pretty much this exact same roster to the same point in the playoffs last year.

Like I said this game is not entirely on Manning, but it is my opinion that a quarterbacks job is to put his team in the best position to win a game, not to necessarily win it for you but to make sure you set up the team to be in a position to win the game. Peyton Manning did not do that this past game and has repeatedly come up short in doing so in the playoffs. In the playoffs Brady has done so repeatedly.

Some fans like Peyton Manning, some like Tom Brady, its an opinion because they both will go down as top 5 quarterbacks of all time.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by donofriose

The commentator said he thought it should have been pass interference. I remember that specific play. You can clearly see Brown got hand on that pass and there was little to no chance Stokley was going to catch it. It was a dangerous high risk pass, Manning should have put the ball low and away so that the defender had no chance of making a play, he but the ball high and made Stokley slow down on the play, hence why he was slowing down and the defender ran into him. The pass was a high risk low reward pass with good coverage, they would not have even gotten the first down. Again you can say it was pass interference, but to say that was a good pass and it was Stokley's fault would be incorrect.

Seeing that Manning already had more interceptions than Brady in playoff games while playing less games and he would increase that total actually proves my point further.

So this year he gets a good defense statistically while his defense plays poorly in the playoffs and he loses.

Before that his defense played well in the playoffs but was bad statistically and he loses.

But no matter what its on the defense.

He has led one game winning drive his entire career in the playoffs. But has been given the opportunity to do so 8 times. Guess who has the same amount of game winning drives... Tim Tebow... who by the way took pretty much this exact same roster to the same point in the playoffs last year.

Like I said this game is not entirely on Manning, but it is my opinion that a quarterbacks job is to put his team in the best position to win a game, not to necessarily win it for you but to make sure you set up the team to be in a position to win the game. Peyton Manning did not do that this past game and has repeatedly come up short in doing so in the playoffs. In the playoffs Brady has done so repeatedly.

Some fans like Peyton Manning, some like Tom Brady, its an opinion because they both will go down as top 5 quarterbacks of all time.

You keep saying this, but his team had the lead with 1:09 on the clock and the Ravens needed to go 77 yards. If Rahim Moore properly plays a ball in the air, the Broncos win. He put his team in a position to win the game, then they let him down. Then, in the 2nd OT, he let his team down, however that never should have happened. I honestly can't see how people are saying Manning cost his team the game. He put them in a position to win and they should have.

[los panda]

Originally Posted by jdlea

You keep saying this, but his team had the lead with 1:09 on the clock and the Ravens needed to go 77 yards. If Rahim Moore properly plays a ball in the air, the Broncos win. He put his team in a position to win the game, then they let him down. Then, in the 2nd OT, he let his team down, however that never should have happened. I honestly can't see how people are saying Manning cost his team the game. He put them in a position to win and they should have.

just like wilson put his team in a position to win.

his team had the lead w 31 seconds left, but atl had 2 timeouts and made it happen

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by los panda

just like wilson put his team in a position to win.

his team had the lead w 31 seconds left, but atl had 2 timeouts and made it happen

Right, I think Russell Wilson did enough to win that game. Also, there was that first half ending on them and poor decision to go for it on 4th and 1 that helped cost them the game, but Wilson put his team in a position to win.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by jdlea

Right, I think Russell Wilson did enough to win that game. Also, there was that first half ending on them and poor decision to go for it on 4th and 1 that helped cost them the game, but Wilson put his team in a position to win.

Wilson played an exceptional game. I dont think you could have asked a QB to play much better than he did. He elevated his play as the season progressed, and continued to do so in the post-season.

Atlanta's last second field goal which won the game really could have gone either way. If it had missed, the story would be completely different now. In that game, i'd say both QB's played well when they needed to.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by jdlea

You keep saying this, but his team had the lead with 1:09 on the clock and the Ravens needed to go 77 yards. If Rahim Moore properly plays a ball in the air, the Broncos win. He put his team in a position to win the game, then they let him down. Then, in the 2nd OT, he let his team down, however that never should have happened. I honestly can't see how people are saying Manning cost his team the game. He put them in a position to win and they should have.

Because he did not put his team in that position, the Broncos special teams did. The reason that game was even close was because of Special Teams, not because of the mediocre play of Manning. Infact, Manning was one of the reasons that game was still close at the end, the pic 6 and fumble gave the Ravens amazing opportunity to make the game closer than it should. If the team had 2 returns for a touchdown you should not lose that game, unless you are Rex Grossman.

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Because he did not put his team in that position, the Broncos special teams did. The reason that game was even close was because of Special Teams, not because of the mediocre play of Manning. Infact, Manning was one of the reasons that game was still close at the end, the pic 6 and fumble gave the Ravens amazing opportunity to make the game closer than it should. If the team had 2 returns for a touchdown you should not lose that game, unless you are Rex Grossman.

Fair enough. I can see your point. He did throw 3 touchdown passes, so we'll have to agree to disagree.