2013 NFL Draft Prospects

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Any situation where the skins get Elam I'm all for

This draft shows Phillip Thomas and Jordan Poyer still on the board when the Skins pick Elam. Since Elam projects as a SS, I'd rather have the FS or the CB because I think we have a more urgent need to fill those positions.

If the Skins were to sign Jairus Byrd in FA, then Elam would make more sense to me.

Also, I like Shawn Williams at SS, so I might be inclined to target him in Round 3 and take Thomas or Poyer in Round 2.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

This draft shows Phillip Thomas and Jordan Poyer still on the board when the Skins pick Elam. Since Elam projects as a SS, I'd rather have the FS or the CB because I think we have a more urgent need to fill those positions.

If the Skins were to sign Jairus Byrd in FA, then Elam would make more sense to me.

Also, I like Shawn Williams at SS, so I might be inclined to target him in Round 3 and take Thomas or Poyer in Round 2.

Both SS and FS are needs, you do not reach for the more urgent need. You draft the best player available, its how the Ravens do it, lets copy them.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Both SS and FS are needs, you do not reach for the more urgent need. You draft the best player available, its how the Ravens do it, lets copy them.

Neither Thomas nor Poyer would be 2nd Round reaches. Since all three players are considered to be either 1st or 2nd Round talents by some evaluators, there probably isn't much difference between them. So I'd still take the FS Thomas or the CB Poyer instead of the SS Elam. I would personally prefer either Thomas or Poyer to Elam regardless of position.

Also, I don't believe that any team drafts BPA over need all the time, regardless of what they claim.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Neither Thomas nor Poyer would be 2nd Round reaches. Since all three players are considered to be either 1st or 2nd Round talents by some evaluators, there probably isn't much difference between them. So I'd still take the FS Thomas or the CB Poyer instead of the SS Elam. I would personally prefer either Thomas or Poyer to Elam regardless of position.

Also, I don't believe that any team drafts BPA over need all the time, regardless of what they claim.

The Patriots draft based on need for their secondary, often reaching for players... and that is why their secondary still sucks besides Talib, who they did not draft. Most draft scouts have Elam as a late 1st to early second, I think Elam is significantly better than Thomas and Poyer and if he drops to the Redskins, they would be lucky to draft him. But only time will tell. Plus Strong Safety was not exactly a strength this season.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by donofriose

The Patriots draft based on need for their secondary, often reaching for players... and that is why their secondary still sucks besides Talib, who they did not draft. Most draft scouts have Elam as a late 1st to early second, I think Elam is significantly better than Thomas and Poyer and if he drops to the Redskins, they would be lucky to draft him. But only time will tell. Plus Strong Safety was not exactly a strength this season.

Did you ever think that the patriots drafted those secondary players because they thought they were the best players available (in the patriots eyes) at that time...?

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

Did you ever think that the patriots drafted those secondary players because they thought they were the best players available (in the patriots eyes) at that time...?

I'll call Bill and ask him. But seeing as a large portion of the secondary players that they drafted were reaches for when the Patriots drafted them... I highly doubt it.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

This draft shows Phillip Thomas and Jordan Poyer still on the board when the Skins pick Elam. Since Elam projects as a SS....

I think Elam projects as well or better to FS then Phillip Thomas. This is shaping up to be deep as SAF.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I think Elam projects as well or better to FS then Phillip Thomas. This is shaping up to be deep as SAF.

I think of Matt Elam more as a SS because he is such a great tackler and because he is 5-10.

Phillip Thomas, at 6-0, seems to be longer than Elam and he has exceptional ball skills. That's why I would prefer him at FS.

That said, I would gladly take either one of them.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

FS - Kenny Vaccaro, Phillip Thomas, David Amerson (I think he'll be a FS in the pros), Baccari Rambo, and Tony Jefferson.

SS - Matt Elam and Shawn Williams

I'm hopeful that we'll be able to draft one of these players.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Phillip Thomas, at 6-0, seems to be longer than Elam and he has exceptional ball skills. That's why I would prefer him at FS.

I don't have anything against Thomas, as I said I think both can play FS. When you watch them play in college Elam has played more center field single high Cover 1/3 FS and that is the traditional role of a 'true' FS in the NFL.
Thomas played more like a 'money' LB/NB that plays in the box and matches up 1-on-1 vs a TE, RB or Slot player.

That said, I would gladly take either one of them.

Agreed.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

I think Amerson has the skillset to be an NFL CB.
I like most of the S in the class tho. My favorite prospects are: Reid, Elam, Phillip Thomas, TJ McDonald, Swearinger, Duke Williams and Rashard Hall. I view those guys as making the easiest transition to NFL FS.
But I like these guys too: Vaccaro, Cyprien and Rambo but I view them more as SS types.

[GWinSkins83]

Originally Posted by 30gut

I don't have anything against Thomas, as I said I think both can play FS. When you watch them play in college Elam has played more center field single high Cover 1/3 FS and that is the traditional role of a 'true' FS in the NFL.
Thomas played more like a 'money' LB/NB that plays in the box and matches up 1-on-1 vs a TE, RB or Slot player.

Agreed.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

I think Amerson has the skillset to be an NFL CB.
I like most of the S in the class tho. My favorite prospects are: Reid, Elam, Phillip Thomas, TJ McDonald, Swearinger, Duke Williams and Rashard Hall. I view those guys as making the easiest transition to NFL FS.
But I like these guys too: Vaccaro, Cyprien and Rambo but I view them more as SS types.

Funny you view Vaccaro, Cyprien, and Rambo more strong Safety. When Rambo is the best in this class playing one deep (FS), Vaccaro probably the most versatile safety, and Cyprien probably got the best read and react skills in this draft.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GWinSkins83

Funny you view Vaccaro, Cyprien, and Rambo more strong Safety. When Rambo is the best in this class playing one deep (FS), Vaccaro probably the most versatile safety, and Cyprien probably got the best read and react skills in this draft.

Umm okay...then I find it funny you don't share my view? lol *scratches head over your approach to this disucssion*
If all the above are facts as you present them to be then I don't see room for discussion.

HTTR (needless to say I disagree)

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I think of Matt Elam more as a SS because he is such a great tackler and because he is 5-10.

Phillip Thomas, at 6-0, seems to be longer than Elam and he has exceptional ball skills. That's why I would prefer him at FS.

That said, I would gladly take either one of them.

I agree with you that the safety class is strong. I like all of the following safeties:

FS - Kenny Vaccaro, Phillip Thomas, David Amerson (I think he'll be a FS in the pros), Baccari Rambo, and Tony Jefferson.

SS - Matt Elam and Shawn Williams

I'm hopeful that we'll be able to draft one of these players.

I agree this safety class is deep. I love Cyrpien to add to your FS list. And a lot of scouts are high on JJ Wilcox, whom the skins have talked to already.