Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

[firstdown]

Did anyone even listen in to their convention?

[Chico23231]

who voted they should change their name? and why?

[Monkeydad]

I vote for automatic bans for any Redskins "fan" who says yes.


Step up, you two.

[DynamiteRave]

So if we change our name, then the Indians and the Braves are gonna be next? Right? Right?!

If not then everyone really needs to let this go. They find the Redskins offensive but they don't find this offensive?!



The hat is actually called the "Screaming Savage"

Can't make this stuff up.

[CrustyRedskin]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

So if we change our name, then the Indians and the Braves are gonna be next? Right? Right?!

If not then everyone really needs to let this go. They find the Redskins offensive but they don't find this offensive?!



The hat is actually called the "Screaming Savage"

Can't make this stuff up.

Funny you mention the word savage. I graduated college from SOSU and we were the Savages. Now they are the Savage Storm.Really come on now.

[Daseal]

I highly suggest some people read the link posted at the bottom of my post. It is really an excellent read about an issue that plagues our team. Here is a quick excerpt:

Goddard shows that the term redskin is a translation from native American languages of a term used by native Americans for themselves. Harjo's claim that it "had its origins in the practice of presenting bloody red skins and scalps as proof of Indian kill for bounty payments" is unsupported by any evidence.⁴ The term entered popular usage via the novels of James Fenimore Cooper. In the early- to mid-nineteenth century the term was neutral, not pejorative, and indeed was often used in contexts in which whites spoke of Indians in positive terms. Goddard concludes:


Cooper's use of redskin as a Native American in-group term was entirely authentic, reflecting both the accurate perception of the Indian self-image and the evolving respect among whites for the Indians' distinct cultural perspective, whatever its prospects. The descent of this word into obloquy is a phenomenon of more recent times.

Language Log: The Origin of Redskin

[firstdown]

There next segment is on the Redskins. Should be fun to watch.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by Krusheasy

The Smithsonian's National Museum of the American Indian @SmithsonianNMAI is hosting a symposium today, Feb 7 10:15-5:45, to change the Redskins mascot. Link to watch on @Ustream Smithsonian American Indian Museum on USTREAM: The National Museum of the American Indian is the first national museum dedicated to the preservation, stud...

Pretty sure this is going to be a one sided discussion. Mike Wise will be among the speakers. If anyone plans on attending give him a big hug for me.

People need to stop being so politically correct, stop letting petty issues upset them, and find something more important to occupy their time like fighting to keep the government from taking away our rights or advocating for Obama to release his records so this whole issue of whether he is or is not elligible to hold office can get resolved.

[budw38]

How about ..... the Washington Drones . The team motto " we seak and destroy " eagles , cowboys and dirty little giants ! Im so good

[HailGreen28]

Yeah, like Poser's article. the earliest usage of "Redskin" a Google search yields me are examples of indians like "Black Thunder" referring to themselves and whites as "red skins" and "white skins" non-pejoratively.

The racism associated with the name "redskin" came later, in western entertainment like old cowboy movies. These people trying to sue the Redskins should go after those estates / copyright holders. Maybe the club and we fans should join the protesters in that lawsuit, lol.

To suggest the Washington football team would pick an insulting name to call THEMSELVES, for people TO CHEER FOR, is beyond stupid. It's ignoring facts of the name's origin, it's origin with the team, and current usage, to try to win a political issue (Common tactic for liberals/conservatives/everybody it seems sadly), and maybe a guilty liberal "feel good", or bashing those rowdy football fans, or power trip telling an NFL franchise what to do, or even a monetary gain behind taking away a club trademark. Who knows? It's ultimately just plain ignorant to bash the Washington Redskins today.

Lastly, what George Preston Marshall did with segregation was evil and wrong. But ours wasn't the only NFL franchise to segregate, only the last to change because of one racist, the owner. I'm tired of our club being singled out as if all the other clubs old as ours were clean.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yeah, like Poser's article. the earliest usage of "Redskin" a Google search yields me are examples of indians like "Black Thunder" referring to themselves and whites as "red skins" and "white skins" non-pejoratively.

The racism associated with the name "redskin" came later, in western entertainment like old cowboy movies. These people trying to sue the Redskins should go after those estates / copyright holders. Maybe the club and we fans should join the protesters in that lawsuit, lol.

To suggest the Washington football team would pick an insulting name to call THEMSELVES, for people TO CHEER FOR, is beyond stupid. It's ignoring facts of the name's origin, it's origin with the team, and current usage, to try to win a political issue (Common tactic for liberals/conservatives/everybody it seems sadly), and maybe a guilty liberal "feel good", or bashing those rowdy football fans, or power trip telling an NFL franchise what to do, or even a monetary gain behind taking away a club trademark. Who knows? It's ultimately just plain ignorant to bash the Washington Redskins today.

Lastly, what George Preston Marshall did with segregation was evil and wrong. But ours wasn't the only NFL franchise to segregate, only the last to change because of one racist, the owner. I'm tired of our club being singled out as if all the other clubs old as ours were clean.

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

(Linguistics / Languages) (Social Science / Peoples) an informal name, now considered offensive, for an American Indian [so called because one particular tribe, the now extinct Beothuks of Newfoundland, painted themselves with red ochre]

There is only one small group that seems to call it offensive and none of these definitions say why its offensive. Because they don't know why its offensive only that some group says so. That group I saw yesterday had more whites and blacks calling it offensive then indians. Who are they to determine if its offensive to another race.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

There's no proof of offense. A slang term for something doesn't equal offensive. Paleface doesn't offend me at all, but it's slang for a white person. Even the high school on the Navajo Reservation in Teec Nos Pos, Arizona used "Redskins" as their mascot.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Your post doesn't make much sense. The definition in your link "redskin: an informal name, now considered offensive, for an American Indian [so called because one particular tribe, the now extinct Beothuks of Newfoundland, painted themselves with red ochre]" is already refuted by the links people gave earlier, and the link you gave later:

Originally Posted by Giantone

Some more info, this is old ...2006 but a good read.
Language Log: The Origin of Redskin

Especially Goddard's link inside the link above. HERE

So... thanks for proving the only ones using the name "Redskins" offensively today are the protesters???

(and giants/cowboys/eagles fans during the season??? )

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Your post doesn't make much sense. The definition in your link "redskin: an informal name, now considered offensive, for an American Indian [so called because one particular tribe, the now extinct Beothuks of Newfoundland, painted themselves with red ochre]" is already refuted by the links people gave earlier, and the link you gave later:

Especially Goddard's link inside the link above. HERE

So... thanks for proving the only ones using the name "Redskins" offensively today are the protesters???

(and giants/cowboys/eagles fans during the season??? )

I see we pick and choose. I said in another post I thought this was over years ago,it seems kind of silly to keep rehashing this thing.


here it is....

Washington Redskins can keep team name; Supreme Court refuses native Americans' suit - CSMonitor.com