Smithsonian Museum - yet another thread on team name

[HailGreen28]

Yeah, like Poser's article. the earliest usage of "Redskin" a Google search yields me are examples of indians like "Black Thunder" referring to themselves and whites as "red skins" and "white skins" non-pejoratively.

The racism associated with the name "redskin" came later, in western entertainment like old cowboy movies. These people trying to sue the Redskins should go after those estates / copyright holders. Maybe the club and we fans should join the protesters in that lawsuit, lol.

To suggest the Washington football team would pick an insulting name to call THEMSELVES, for people TO CHEER FOR, is beyond stupid. It's ignoring facts of the name's origin, it's origin with the team, and current usage, to try to win a political issue (Common tactic for liberals/conservatives/everybody it seems sadly), and maybe a guilty liberal "feel good", or bashing those rowdy football fans, or power trip telling an NFL franchise what to do, or even a monetary gain behind taking away a club trademark. Who knows? It's ultimately just plain ignorant to bash the Washington Redskins today.

Lastly, what George Preston Marshall did with segregation was evil and wrong. But ours wasn't the only NFL franchise to segregate, only the last to change because of one racist, the owner. I'm tired of our club being singled out as if all the other clubs old as ours were clean.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Yeah, like Poser's article. the earliest usage of "Redskin" a Google search yields me are examples of indians like "Black Thunder" referring to themselves and whites as "red skins" and "white skins" non-pejoratively.

The racism associated with the name "redskin" came later, in western entertainment like old cowboy movies. These people trying to sue the Redskins should go after those estates / copyright holders. Maybe the club and we fans should join the protesters in that lawsuit, lol.

To suggest the Washington football team would pick an insulting name to call THEMSELVES, for people TO CHEER FOR, is beyond stupid. It's ignoring facts of the name's origin, it's origin with the team, and current usage, to try to win a political issue (Common tactic for liberals/conservatives/everybody it seems sadly), and maybe a guilty liberal "feel good", or bashing those rowdy football fans, or power trip telling an NFL franchise what to do, or even a monetary gain behind taking away a club trademark. Who knows? It's ultimately just plain ignorant to bash the Washington Redskins today.

Lastly, what George Preston Marshall did with segregation was evil and wrong. But ours wasn't the only NFL franchise to segregate, only the last to change because of one racist, the owner. I'm tired of our club being singled out as if all the other clubs old as ours were clean.

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

(Linguistics / Languages) (Social Science / Peoples) an informal name, now considered offensive, for an American Indian [so called because one particular tribe, the now extinct Beothuks of Newfoundland, painted themselves with red ochre]

There is only one small group that seems to call it offensive and none of these definitions say why its offensive. Because they don't know why its offensive only that some group says so. That group I saw yesterday had more whites and blacks calling it offensive then indians. Who are they to determine if its offensive to another race.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

There's no proof of offense. A slang term for something doesn't equal offensive. Paleface doesn't offend me at all, but it's slang for a white person. Even the high school on the Navajo Reservation in Teec Nos Pos, Arizona used "Redskins" as their mascot.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Redskins - definition of Redskins by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

Your post doesn't make much sense. The definition in your link "redskin: an informal name, now considered offensive, for an American Indian [so called because one particular tribe, the now extinct Beothuks of Newfoundland, painted themselves with red ochre]" is already refuted by the links people gave earlier, and the link you gave later:

Originally Posted by Giantone

Some more info, this is old ...2006 but a good read.
Language Log: The Origin of Redskin

Especially Goddard's link inside the link above. HERE

So... thanks for proving the only ones using the name "Redskins" offensively today are the protesters???

(and giants/cowboys/eagles fans during the season??? )

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Your post doesn't make much sense. The definition in your link "redskin: an informal name, now considered offensive, for an American Indian [so called because one particular tribe, the now extinct Beothuks of Newfoundland, painted themselves with red ochre]" is already refuted by the links people gave earlier, and the link you gave later:

Especially Goddard's link inside the link above. HERE

So... thanks for proving the only ones using the name "Redskins" offensively today are the protesters???

(and giants/cowboys/eagles fans during the season??? )

I see we pick and choose. I said in another post I thought this was over years ago,it seems kind of silly to keep rehashing this thing.


here it is....

Washington Redskins can keep team name; Supreme Court refuses native Americans' suit - CSMonitor.com

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

I see we pick and choose. I said in another post I thought this was over years ago,it seems kind of silly to keep rehashing this thing.


here it is....

Washington Redskins can keep team name; Supreme Court refuses native Americans' suit - CSMonitor.com

Your one-line "free dictionary" post earlier was stupid, unsupported, and refuted by numerous posts before and since. That's the point.

Not to mention the "free dictionary" cites one tribe in a non-derogatory fashion, never mind all the other tribes associated non-derogatorily with "REDSKINS". So the "free dictionary" link doesn't even support itself about the name being somehow offensive.

So again, thanks for proving the name isn't offensive. Whether you meant to or not, lol.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Your one-line "free dictionary" post earlier was stupid, .

sorry you feel that way.

[HailGreen28]

Originally Posted by Giantone

sorry you feel that way.

Well, look at the bright side. For example, your post did provide a good example how not to trust a lot of "free" sources on the internet, however unintentionally.