2013 NFL Draft Prospects

[GTripp0012]

The only major difference between Geno and RG3 coming out is accuracy to the deep outside area of the field. Geno throws it around pretty well, at least as well as Griffin did coming out.

The biggest difference is not the skill of the players at the top of the draft between 2012 and 2013, but the aggressiveness of the teams at the top. The Colts released Peyton Manning and the Redskins dealt 3 first round picks to set the table for the RG3/Luck draft. The Chiefs just...traded for Alex Smith. That's the biggest difference.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The only major difference between Geno and RG3 coming out is accuracy to the deep outside area of the field. Geno throws it around pretty well, at least as well as Griffin did coming out.

The biggest difference is not the skill of the players at the top of the draft between 2012 and 2013, but the aggressiveness of the teams at the top. The Colts released Peyton Manning and the Redskins dealt 3 first round picks to set the table for the RG3/Luck draft. The Chiefs just...traded for Alex Smith. That's the biggest difference.

I would disagree. There is a big difference between RG3's consistency and Geno Smith's consistency. Also intangibles RG3 definitely has the edge. Both on and off the field. I can guarantee there will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs. As far as QB talent, there is a huge difference between this years draft and last years draft. Last year you had the Heisman winner with a great arm and great intangibles, the QB who could have been a first round pick the past two years, and an underrated QB who was overlooked due to his height. This year you have a QB who could have been a top 10 pick last year but fell off badly and proving that he really was not that good, a QB who lost 5 straight games when he had Tavon Austin and Bailey as receivers, a QB who underachieved at FSU but is shooting up boards because of his "talent".

There is a huge difference between Geno Smith and RG3, and a huge difference between the quarterback classes.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I would disagree. There is a big difference between RG3's consistency and Geno Smith's consistency. Also intangibles RG3 definitely has the edge. Both on and off the field. I can guarantee there will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs. As far as QB talent, there is a huge difference between this years draft and last years draft. Last year you had the Heisman winner with a great arm and great intangibles, the QB who could have been a first round pick the past two years, and an underrated QB who was overlooked due to his height. This year you have a QB who could have been a top 10 pick last year but fell off badly and proving that he really was not that good, a QB who lost 5 straight games when he had Tavon Austin and Bailey as receivers, a QB who underachieved at FSU but is shooting up boards because of his "talent".

There is a huge difference between Geno Smith and RG3, and a huge difference between the quarterback classes.

No there definitely will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs in 2013. Last year's class was ridiculous. Three quarterbacks that went undrafted from last year's class are on rosters, not to mention that every drafted QB except Weeden exceeded expectations.

I do think there will be three QBs picked in the first round who will by and large be successful in the league though. Three is a lot different from seven or eight though.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

No there definitely will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs in 2013. Last year's class was ridiculous. Three quarterbacks that went undrafted from last year's class are on rosters, not to mention that every drafted QB except Weeden exceeded expectations.

I do think there will be three QBs picked in the first round who will by and large be successful in the league though. Three is a lot different from seven or eight though.

Tripp you gettin a prospect rankings list together? post it when/if you do. thanks

My 3 top QBs: 1.Barkley 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Geno Smith

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Tripp you gettin a prospect rankings list together? post it when/if you do. thanks

My 3 top QBs: 1.Barkley 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Geno Smith

Mine consists of:

1. Geno Smith
2. Mike Glennon
3. Tyler Wilson
4. Ryan Nassib
5. Matt Barkley

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Tripp you gettin a prospect rankings list together? post it when/if you do. thanks

My 3 top QBs: 1.Barkley 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Geno Smith

I don't think many people are putting Barkley at the top. He has arm strength issues. Definitely do not see him as a #1. But then again, this whole QB class is pretty weak.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by SkinzWin

I don't think many people are putting Barkley at the top. He has arm strength issues. Definitely do not see him as a #1. But then again, this whole QB class is pretty weak.

Barkley and Wilson dealt with alot of crap this season. I think if you put both on better teams with less drama they woulda excelled. I think neither are top 15 or 20 picks or guys that step on the field ready to play year 1, well right off the bat. Maybe mid-season.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Tripp you gettin a prospect rankings list together? post it when/if you do. thanks

My 3 top QBs: 1.Barkley 2. Tyler Wilson 3. Geno Smith

Yeah. I've watched most of the prospects I'm going to watch, I've just been lazy about it.

I don't really see this as a weak QB class, at all. Geno Smith will go top ten this year, and would go top ten pretty much any year he came out. He's clearly a better prospect than Locker/Gabbert/Ponder/Mallet (I would have rated him above Newton as well, but I ended up being off on Newton). Barkley is probably going in the top ten as well. And if he goes seven/eight/nine, some team (likely one picking at the top) is going to maneuver and try to get Nassib in the 13-19 neighborhood of the first round.

So those three will go right away. My favorite of the "best of the rest" is Tyler Bray, but I think a draft day fall might actually work in his benefit. Bray was the first QB I studied, and my reaction right after was Bray was the best player -- player, not quarterback -- in the entire draft. I've backed off that position substantially, not because I've seen evidence to make me believe that's not the case, but because I was doing WAY too much justifying of a high grade on a player who is going to be a late riser, at best. Kind of like Kellen Moore last year. At this point, if you can get Bray late in the first round or early in the second, I would, but there's no reason to take him with a top ten pick: he doesn't have the intangibles the other three guys do (and he's really not mobile at all, in an era where mobility is so important to development of the QB), so the market for him won't be as fierce.

The rest of the class is mediocre. I like Sean Renfree (Duke), Zac Dysert (Miami) and Marquise Gray (Minnesota) as backup types with some trade value in the league down the road. I think EJ Manuel can be a system guy in the NFL, but he's not going to rise as sharply as some people think (late 2 or early 3 at best). I think Tyler Wilson and Sean Glennon are going to struggle, a lot. I still have no idea what on earth to think of Landry Jones. If Jones could demonstrate just one clear skill outside of his arm, he'd go high in this draft...I'm just not sure he has it. I think Collin Klein should probably play tight end, although you can make your case that backup quarterback-who-will-never-play is the single most coveted position in sports. I think Jordan Rodgers probably shouldn't be drafted.

I haven't yet seen Matt Scott play (I'm not sure I saw Arizona play at all last year), but I hear he's intriguing.

[Hail2theskins]

Originally Posted by donofriose

I would disagree. There is a big difference between RG3's consistency and Geno Smith's consistency. Also intangibles RG3 definitely has the edge. Both on and off the field. I can guarantee there will not be three rookie quarterbacks starting in the playoffs. As far as QB talent, there is a huge difference between this years draft and last years draft. Last year you had the Heisman winner with a great arm and great intangibles, the QB who could have been a first round pick the past two years, and an underrated QB who was overlooked due to his height. This year you have a QB who could have been a top 10 pick last year but fell off badly and proving that he really was not that good, a QB who lost 5 straight games when he had Tavon Austin and Bailey as receivers, a QB who underachieved at FSU but is shooting up boards because of his "talent".

There is a huge difference between Geno Smith and RG3, and a huge difference between the quarterback classes.

You can put two of those five straight on geno for sure, but not the other three, wv had one of the worst defenses in the country last year, stedman was out during a lot of that stretch and there was no reliable third receiver and no reliable running game. I don't think geno is worthy of the number one overall, but I'm fairly certain hell be a solid qb in the league if he can get his mind right.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Hail2theskins

You can put two of those five straight on geno for sure, but not the other three, wv had one of the worst defenses in the country last year, stedman was out during a lot of that stretch and there was no reliable third receiver and no reliable running game. I don't think geno is worthy of the number one overall, but I'm fairly certain hell be a solid qb in the league if he can get his mind right.

I agree their defense was terrible. But the comparison was Geno Smith to RG3... I do not think those QB's compare at all. If Geno was coming out last year he probably would not have been drafted in the top 10. That is the only point I am trying to make.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

The only major difference between Geno and RG3 coming out is accuracy to the deep outside area of the field. Geno throws it around pretty well, at least as well as Griffin did coming out.

I agree that Griffin and Geno are similar and like you said Griff has better deep ball accuracy. I think their arm talent is close, Griff has a quicker release but Geno has more consistent mechanics.

But there is one important disctinction. Its an area where the 2 QBs are diametrically opposed: playmaking.

'Spontaneous Genius' as Bill Walsh called it and Griffin has is in spades. Where Geno's coached pushed him to be and wanted him to be more of playmaker, Griffin is a natural.