Sequestration - good, bad, or indifferent?

[Alvin Walton]

One of the greatest recruiting tools we ever had and a huge source of national pride flushed right down the toilet.
But I expect no less from an incompetent liberal administration.

[Daseal]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

One of the greatest recruiting tools we ever had and a huge source of national pride flushed right down the toilet.
But I expect no less from an incompetent liberal administration.

Yes, because the military needs help recruiting. Come on. The military is a great way for anyone that doesn't have money for college, came from a lower socio-economic background, etc to make something of themselves. It takes very little in the way of credentials to get into a military role. They will take the onus of training you and teaching you important skills, discipline, etc.

Regardless, the days of foot soldiers are coming to an end. That is a direct quote from a retired 2 or 3 star general that taught a few classes. We have massive weapons that can be delivered without a human delivery vehicle. The real wars are based on information and economy. The loss of life and the buildings weren't the main goal of 9/11, the financial issues it caused because of the aftereffects were the main goal.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

One of the greatest recruiting tools we ever had and a huge source of national pride flushed right down the toilet.
But I expect no less from an incompetent liberal administration.

so what would you cut from defense? Your knee jerk reaction is no better than when a liberal cries about their programs being cut, or a >$250K person complains that their taxes are being raised. If we are going to somehow solve the govermental bloat, some things have to let go for a while. It's not like they can't reinstate the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels later, but it's also not the end of the world if they never fly again - and again, I loved going to AAFB to watch them.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

so what would you cut from defense? Your knee jerk reaction is no better than when a liberal cries about their programs being cut, or a >$250K person complains that their taxes are being raised. If we are going to somehow solve the govermental bloat, some things have to let go for a while. It's not like they can't reinstate the Thunderbirds and Blue Angels later, but it's also not the end of the world if they never fly again - and again, I loved going to AAFB to watch them.

They should complain. By the time they pay federal and state taxes they are paying around $100,000 a year. Thay are not the people who should get hit. Its the people paying no taxes and the millionairs who can afford to pay more.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by firstdown

They should complain. By the time they pay federal and state taxes they are paying around $100,000 a year. Thay are not the people who should get hit. Its the people paying no taxes and the millionairs who can afford to pay more.

As someone who looked at tax returns for several years, they are people who take advantage of the tax system in every single tax bracket. But what I found who took advantage of it the most with stretching things were real estate agents and small business owners. Its really a game, they do everything in their power to show no income to the IRS and then over exagerate income when it comes to personal lending.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

As someone who looked at tax returns for several years, they are people who take advantage of the tax system in every single tax bracket. But what I found who took advantage of it the most with stretching things were real estate agents and small business owners. Its really a game, they do everything in their power to show no income to the IRS and then over exagerate income when it comes to personal lending.

The first thing that a bank ask for when a self employed person wants a loan is tax returns so you can't have it both ways. It has to be claimed as income on your taxes for a bank to even consider it income. Second as a business owner you can avoid paying taxes on some money but your having to spend money on business things and thats money that could have been actual income. I'm sure you have heard someone say donate you can write it off. Sure I can write it off but it also was money that is no longer income. So do I want to donate $100 to avoid paying taxes on that money. I can put a meal or two on the business credit card or a round of golf but I olny can take a % of those charges off as an expense.

[CRedskinsRule]

For the record, one show requires 7,200 gallons JP-8 jet fuel and 440 gallons smoke oil required for each performance. A typical yearly schedule is 80 shows. JP-8 costs $3.13/gal. Or just under 2mil for the typical year.

My point with this number, is in the grand scheme of cuts, it's miniscule, but there is a group of people who, rather than accept a tiny cut for the needs of the country, will criticize and berate their opponent, because, that's the US today. The same happens over every dollar, or million dollars cut.
"obama is an idiot", congress wants to starve children, etc etc etc.

reducing a debt of

isn't going to be done without some give from every person/group/interest/pac/etc in the US

[CRedskinsRule]

again, everyone benefits from us having a stable government. Those making >250K, while possibly receiving the least direct cash benefits, certainly receive benefits that aren't necessarily itemized. A stable, free market based (maybe not as much) government economic structure, where they are able to invest.

Ideally, the >250k crowd would pay a reasonable percentage but we are not in the ideal right now, and again, EVERYONE will end up making sacrifices if we are to get this debt issue back under control.

[CRedskinsRule]

also, it is the navy and the air force departments deciding that these shows should be cancelled not Pres. Obama dictating they be stopped.

[CRedskinsRule]

And this thread is why I overall support sequestration and any other mandatory reductions that don't listen to every grievance. Just in this thread we can see a lobby for the military, the people making the most, and those who support the poor. We can't even come together and accept the simple fact that our government is way overspending in every area, and instead throw out graphs, articles and "national pride" to plead the case for whichever group you support.

In fact, I would say sequestration didn't go far enough, and that we ought to mandate 3% baseline cuts and 3% tax increases across the board, every year until either:
a) legislatively binding financial plans are developed that bring the budget at or near balance and a fund for debt repayment is established

or

b) an amendment to the constitution is passed that mandates fiscal sanity (however that would be worded). It ought to be easy enough for the population of 2/3rds of the states to push for a straight forward amendment which says that unfettered debt is dangerous to our national health, and therefore, the Constitution is amended to require that the national debt can never exceed x% (i am sure there is a healthy percentage of debt).

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'm tired of having to pay the way for others who choose not to work. We keep extending unemployment and the wonder why so many people are unemployeed.

...or maybe you are just stereotyping people on welfare? Maybe it's because jobs aren't there. You act if we can just magically go get some job and all is better! What are a lot of major corporations doing with jobs? Answer: Sending them overseas and cutting them for max profits.

It's not always that simple or that easy FD, and congrats to you for having it made to where you never understand what kind of situation these people may be in. Granted, there are some that are lazy and want free handouts, that much is certain.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

And this thread is why I overall support sequestration and any other mandatory reductions that don't listen to every grievance. Just in this thread we can see a lobby for the military, the people making the most, and those who support the poor. We can't even come together and accept the simple fact that our government is way overspending in every area, and instead throw out graphs, articles and "national pride" to plead the case for whichever group you support.

It's not that I "support" any particular group. I'm just calling out the parrot heads that continue to point at one thing and say LOOK THEY AR THE REASON.

However, if given the choice, would you rather bomb somebody or feed them.


They can do away with this Homeland Security bullshit. They aren't doing anything to make us secure. We are no more secure today than we were prior to 9/11.

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | The Gateway Pundit


FD talked about us funding Syria. Wonder why he didn't mention Israel?

Washington DC ad campaign seeks to ‘expose’ Israeli lobby in America


Another way to save billions of dollars in wasted money is to end the faux war on drugs. It's a waste. Legalize it and tax it. You thereby create revenue.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

...or maybe you are just stereotyping people on welfare? Maybe it's because jobs aren't there. You act if we can just magically go get some job and all is better! What are a lot of major corporations doing with jobs? Answer: Sending them overseas and cutting them for max profits.

It's not always that simple or that easy FD, and congrats to you for having it made to where you never understand what kind of situation these people may be in. Granted, there are some that are lazy and want free handouts, that much is certain.





It's not that I "support" any particular group. I'm just calling out the parrot heads that continue to point at one thing and say LOOK THEY AR THE REASON.

However, if given the choice, would you rather bomb somebody or feed them.


They can do away with this Homeland Security bullshit. They aren't doing anything to make us secure. We are no more secure today than we were prior to 9/11.

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | The Gateway Pundit


FD talked about us funding Syria. Wonder why he didn't mention Israel?

Washington DC ad campaign seeks to ‘expose’ Israeli lobby in America


Another way to save billions of dollars in wasted money is to end the faux war on drugs. It's a waste. Legalize it and tax it. You thereby create revenue.

I've been on both sides and know full well what it is like to be making minimum wage and a sgl father. I've also done alot of charity work so I know first hand what I'm talking about. The reason I did not mention Israel is because that is old spending and I have no problem cutting them off as well. I do agree we could legalize drugs and tax them but the right would never pass that bill.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I've been on both sides and know full well what it is like to be making minimum wage and a sgl father.

So you managed to support you and your child with a minimum wage job with no help or support?


1) Rent
2) Car/gas
3) Food
4) Insurance
5) Clothes
6) Other supplies


No offense, but I'm not believing it one bit.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So you managed to support you and your child with a minimum wage job with no help or support?


1) Rent
2) Car/gas
3) Food
4) Insurance
5) Clothes
6) Other supplies


No offense, but I'm not believing it one bit.

I made a deal with the person I worked for and had a place to live by doing odd jobs for him on the weekends. I actually took a reduction in pay to get into the insurance field but I didn't make much money the first few years. Finally got trained and moved up and then opened my own office. The only thing I ever received from the gov was a tax credit for being a low income parent. I'm personally not against federal programs I'm against people who are on them for life and raise children who become welfare dependent.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

...or maybe you are just stereotyping people on welfare? Maybe it's because jobs aren't there. You act if we can just magically go get some job and all is better! What are a lot of major corporations doing with jobs? Answer: Sending them overseas and cutting them for max profits.

It's not always that simple or that easy FD, and congrats to you for having it made to where you never understand what kind of situation these people may be in. Granted, there are some that are lazy and want free handouts, that much is certain.





It's not that I "support" any particular group. I'm just calling out the parrot heads that continue to point at one thing and say LOOK THEY AR THE REASON.

However, if given the choice, would you rather bomb somebody or feed them.


They can do away with this Homeland Security bullshit. They aren't doing anything to make us secure. We are no more secure today than we were prior to 9/11.
Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | The Gateway Pundit


FD talked about us funding Syria. Wonder why he didn't mention Israel?

Washington DC ad campaign seeks to ‘expose’ Israeli lobby in America


Another way to save billions of dollars in wasted money is to end the faux war on drugs. It's a waste. Legalize it and tax it. You thereby create revenue.

You're a loon.
Thats why I take almost nothing seriously you post in this forum.