Sequestration - good, bad, or indifferent?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I'm tired of having to pay the way for others who choose not to work. We keep extending unemployment and the wonder why so many people are unemployeed.

...or maybe you are just stereotyping people on welfare? Maybe it's because jobs aren't there. You act if we can just magically go get some job and all is better! What are a lot of major corporations doing with jobs? Answer: Sending them overseas and cutting them for max profits.

It's not always that simple or that easy FD, and congrats to you for having it made to where you never understand what kind of situation these people may be in. Granted, there are some that are lazy and want free handouts, that much is certain.

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

And this thread is why I overall support sequestration and any other mandatory reductions that don't listen to every grievance. Just in this thread we can see a lobby for the military, the people making the most, and those who support the poor. We can't even come together and accept the simple fact that our government is way overspending in every area, and instead throw out graphs, articles and "national pride" to plead the case for whichever group you support.

It's not that I "support" any particular group. I'm just calling out the parrot heads that continue to point at one thing and say LOOK THEY AR THE REASON.

However, if given the choice, would you rather bomb somebody or feed them.


They can do away with this Homeland Security bullshit. They aren't doing anything to make us secure. We are no more secure today than we were prior to 9/11.

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | The Gateway Pundit


FD talked about us funding Syria. Wonder why he didn't mention Israel?

Washington DC ad campaign seeks to ‘expose’ Israeli lobby in America


Another way to save billions of dollars in wasted money is to end the faux war on drugs. It's a waste. Legalize it and tax it. You thereby create revenue.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

...or maybe you are just stereotyping people on welfare? Maybe it's because jobs aren't there. You act if we can just magically go get some job and all is better! What are a lot of major corporations doing with jobs? Answer: Sending them overseas and cutting them for max profits.

It's not always that simple or that easy FD, and congrats to you for having it made to where you never understand what kind of situation these people may be in. Granted, there are some that are lazy and want free handouts, that much is certain.





It's not that I "support" any particular group. I'm just calling out the parrot heads that continue to point at one thing and say LOOK THEY AR THE REASON.

However, if given the choice, would you rather bomb somebody or feed them.


They can do away with this Homeland Security bullshit. They aren't doing anything to make us secure. We are no more secure today than we were prior to 9/11.

Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | The Gateway Pundit


FD talked about us funding Syria. Wonder why he didn't mention Israel?

Washington DC ad campaign seeks to ‘expose’ Israeli lobby in America


Another way to save billions of dollars in wasted money is to end the faux war on drugs. It's a waste. Legalize it and tax it. You thereby create revenue.

I've been on both sides and know full well what it is like to be making minimum wage and a sgl father. I've also done alot of charity work so I know first hand what I'm talking about. The reason I did not mention Israel is because that is old spending and I have no problem cutting them off as well. I do agree we could legalize drugs and tax them but the right would never pass that bill.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

I've been on both sides and know full well what it is like to be making minimum wage and a sgl father.

So you managed to support you and your child with a minimum wage job with no help or support?


1) Rent
2) Car/gas
3) Food
4) Insurance
5) Clothes
6) Other supplies


No offense, but I'm not believing it one bit.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So you managed to support you and your child with a minimum wage job with no help or support?


1) Rent
2) Car/gas
3) Food
4) Insurance
5) Clothes
6) Other supplies


No offense, but I'm not believing it one bit.

I made a deal with the person I worked for and had a place to live by doing odd jobs for him on the weekends. I actually took a reduction in pay to get into the insurance field but I didn't make much money the first few years. Finally got trained and moved up and then opened my own office. The only thing I ever received from the gov was a tax credit for being a low income parent. I'm personally not against federal programs I'm against people who are on them for life and raise children who become welfare dependent.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

...or maybe you are just stereotyping people on welfare? Maybe it's because jobs aren't there. You act if we can just magically go get some job and all is better! What are a lot of major corporations doing with jobs? Answer: Sending them overseas and cutting them for max profits.

It's not always that simple or that easy FD, and congrats to you for having it made to where you never understand what kind of situation these people may be in. Granted, there are some that are lazy and want free handouts, that much is certain.





It's not that I "support" any particular group. I'm just calling out the parrot heads that continue to point at one thing and say LOOK THEY AR THE REASON.

However, if given the choice, would you rather bomb somebody or feed them.


They can do away with this Homeland Security bullshit. They aren't doing anything to make us secure. We are no more secure today than we were prior to 9/11.
Obama DHS Purchases 2,700 Light-Armored Tanks to Go With Their 1.6 Billion Bullet Stockpile | The Gateway Pundit


FD talked about us funding Syria. Wonder why he didn't mention Israel?

Washington DC ad campaign seeks to ‘expose’ Israeli lobby in America


Another way to save billions of dollars in wasted money is to end the faux war on drugs. It's a waste. Legalize it and tax it. You thereby create revenue.

You're a loon.
Thats why I take almost nothing seriously you post in this forum.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

You're a loon.
Thats why I take almost nothing seriously you post in this forum.

So tell me, how many terrorist activities have they stopped here in the US? Then tell me how many billions we've spent.


I'll be awaiting those numbers.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

So tell me, how many terrorist activities have they stopped here in the US? Then tell me how many billions we've spent.


I'll be awaiting those numbers.

I doubt we'll ever be able to tell how many were stopped, its made it awful hard for the sundry list of bad guys to even attempt anything becuse its so expensive and complicated to pull something off like that now.

And to name a few - The Coast Guard, The Secret Service, TSA, Immigration are all part of HS.
Why do you want to do away with them?

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

I doubt we'll ever be able to tell how many were stopped, its made it awful hard for the sundry list of bad guys to even attempt anything becuse its so expensive and complicated to pull something off like that now.

And to name a few - The Coast Guard, The Secret Service, TSA, Immigration are all part of HS.
Why do you want to do away with them?

Answer: None.

It made it hard? You mean how the kid that got on board a airplane with a shoe bomb? TSA agents have been nothing but a menace since their creation. Groping women, harassing kids and other passengers has been their specialty, not stopping terrorists.

TSA Agents Harass Three-Year-Old with Spina Bifida, Take Away Her Stuffed Animal

http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa...ar-old-wi.html

TSA harassment sends rape victim to emergency room — RT USA

TSA Agents Harass Disabled Passengers: Cause for Concern : News : TravelersToday

You give our incompetent enforcement agencies way too much credit.


Security is Big Business at Super Bowl XLVII - Forbes

We don't need to be involved with security for the Super Bowl, the NFL makes 9+ billion a year, let them handle it.


Well, those departments you named were there prior to the HS department being formed so no. I have a huge issue with pouring billions of dollars into "security" when it's not protecting us from shit. Again, I'm not talking about agencies that existed prior to 9/11.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Answer: None.

It made it hard? You mean how the kid that got on board a airplane with a shoe bomb? TSA agents have been nothing but a menace since their creation. Groping women, harassing kids and other passengers has been their specialty, not stopping terrorists.

TSA Agents Harass Three-Year-Old with Spina Bifida, Take Away Her Stuffed Animal

http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa...ar-old-wi.html

TSA harassment sends rape victim to emergency room — RT USA

TSA Agents Harass Disabled Passengers: Cause for Concern : News : TravelersToday

You give our incompetent enforcement agencies way too much credit.


Security is Big Business at Super Bowl XLVII - Forbes

We don't need to be involved with security for the Super Bowl, the NFL makes 9+ billion a year, let them handle it.


Well, those departments you named were their prior to the HS department being formed so no. I have a huge issue with pouring billions of dollars into "security" when it's not protecting us from shit. Again, I'm not talking about agencies that existed prior to 9/11.

One minute you say the gov. can do no wrong but when its a program you don't like they can do no right.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

One minute you say the gov. can do no wrong but when its a program you don't like they can do no right.

Can you show me where I said the gov can do no wrong? Please do.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

Answer: None.

It made it hard? You mean how the kid that got on board a airplane with a shoe bomb? TSA agents have been nothing but a menace since their creation. Groping women, harassing kids and other passengers has been their specialty, not stopping terrorists.

TSA Agents Harass Three-Year-Old with Spina Bifida, Take Away Her Stuffed Animal

http://boingboing.net/2012/04/25/tsa...ar-old-wi.html

TSA harassment sends rape victim to emergency room — RT USA

TSA Agents Harass Disabled Passengers: Cause for Concern : News : TravelersToday

You give our incompetent enforcement agencies way too much credit.


Security is Big Business at Super Bowl XLVII - Forbes

We don't need to be involved with security for the Super Bowl, the NFL makes 9+ billion a year, let them handle it.


Well, those departments you named were their prior to the HS department being formed so no. I have a huge issue with pouring billions of dollars into "security" when it's not protecting us from shit. Again, I'm not talking about agencies that existed prior to 9/11.

Well since the Coast Guard performs a lot of port and border security for Homeland Defense I reassert my stance that you are a loon and dont know WTF you are talking about. You dont know who or what Homeland defense is. And your NFL comment just cements that.
Or do you just drink a lot....cause that would explain it.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Well since the Coast Guard performs a lot of port and border security for Homeland Defense I reassert my stance that you are a loon and dont know WTF you are talking about. You dont know who or what Homeland defense is. And your NFL comment just cements that.
Or do you just drink a lot....cause that would explain it.

Apparently you didn't understand anything I said. The Department of Homeland Security did NOT exist before 9/11. The Coast Guard, TSA, and some of the other sub groups did exist before 9/11. Get rid of Homeland Security, and move those groups back to where they came from.


How hard is that to understand? Fact is, funding is being put into Homeland Security that wouldn't have if the department was never created.

Again, you have YET to show many any god damn results for all these terrorists we've stopped, which is EXACTLY why the Homeland Security was created for.

What's the problem with the NFL comment? I don't want my ****ing tax dollars being spent guarding some private organization's event. I don't give a flying **** who's playing in that game. We have NO business spending any money providing security for the Super Bowl.

I wouldn't call anybody a loon that posts pictures of dolls in freezers. I'd be more than happy to wager that most people think YOU are the loon, not me.

[Giantone]

Where Did Our Debt Come From?Please watch.


Where Did the Debt Come From? - YouTube

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Giantone

Where Did Our Debt Come From?Please watch.


Where Did the Debt Come From? - YouTube

Nothing like a bias source.

Center for American Progress's Director of Tax and Budget Policy

Its President and chief executive officer is Neera Tanden, who worked for the Obama and Clinton administrations and for Hillary Clinton’s campaigns.[5] Its first President and chief executive officer

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Nothing like a bias source.

Center for American Progress's Director of Tax and Budget Policy

Its President and chief executive officer is Neera Tanden, who worked for the Obama and Clinton administrations and for Hillary Clinton’s campaigns.[5] Its first President and chief executive officer

SO is any of the information wrong? If so, please point out where and detail it.

It doesn't take a genius to see that starting 2 separate wars while cutting taxes was going to lead to a huge debt hole.