Shanahan: "the most underrated player in the history of the game"

[The Goat]

Like to pose this question to the "brains" around here: do we ask a lot of our corners? Schematically wise I think we do. Aside from the Steelers few teams (successfully) use the corner blitz. Our late season success saw a lot of that kind of scheming btw. Sure, Orakpo will be back. Is he gonna change everything? I hope not if you get my drift.

Hall knows the scheme and plays it well when he's serious out there. Whatever he's lost in talent is off-set by experience and knowledge. I highly, highly doubt there's a CB in draft/FA who would overall outperform Hall next season as a Redskin.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Like to pose this question to the "brains" around here: do we ask a lot of our corners? Schematically wise I think we do. Aside from the Steelers few teams (successfully) use the corner blitz. Our late season success saw a lot of that kind of scheming btw. Sure, Orakpo will be back. Is he gonna change everything? I hope not if you get my drift.

Hall knows the scheme and plays it well when he's serious out there. Whatever he's lost in talent is off-set by experience and knowledge. I highly, highly doubt there's a CB in draft/FA who would overall outperform Hall next season as a Redskin.

Seeing as how only one corner allowed more yards than Hall this entire year, and seeing as how his value was no where near what the Skins would have to pay him, I do not think it will be hard to find a replacement for basically one of the worst values for a corner in the NFL.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Seeing as how only one corner allowed more yards than Hall this entire year, and seeing as how his value was no where near what the Skins would have to pay him, I do not think it will be hard to find a replacement for basically the one of the worst values for a corner in the NFL.

Totally agree.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Seeing as how only one corner allowed more yards than Hall this entire year, and seeing as how his value was no where near what the Skins would have to pay him, I do not think it will be hard to find a replacement for basically one of the worst values for a corner in the NFL.

I agree that we can probably find better value than hall in fa this year. 50/50 shot that we will get better overall corner play. But the above statistic isnt completely fair, after our best pass rusher gets taken out, and we had arguably the worst pass defending safeties in the history of the league for the first 9-10 games last year. DHall played his butt off last year, did alot in helping stop the run, and locked down the teams best receivers at times taking them totally out of the game. DHall will get his 5-6 mil per year somewhere else. But that stat holds water about as good as Bonnie and Clydes car.

[NYCskinfan82]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I agree that we can probably find better value than hall in fa this year. 50/50 shot that we will get better overall corner play. But the above statistic isnt completely fair, after our best pass rusher gets taken out, and we had arguably the worst pass defending safeties in the history of the league for the first 9-10 games last year. DHall played his butt off last year, did alot in helping stop the run, and locked down the teams best receivers at times taking them totally out of the game. DHall will get his 5-6 mil per year somewhere else. But that stat holds water about as good as Bonnie and Clydes car.

LOL

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

I agree that we can probably find better value than hall in fa this year. 50/50 shot that we will get better overall corner play. But the above statistic isnt completely fair, after our best pass rusher gets taken out, and we had arguably the worst pass defending safeties in the history of the league for the first 9-10 games last year. DHall played his butt off last year, did alot in helping stop the run, and locked down the teams best receivers at times taking them totally out of the game. DHall will get his 5-6 mil per year somewhere else. But that stat holds water about as good as Bonnie and Clydes car.

To be the second worst though in the entire NFL is atrocious, no matter the pass rush or safety play. There are a lot of other starting corners in the NFL and only one player gave up more yards than Hall. That is terrible. Not even the other Redskins corner gave up more yards than Hall. Captain Munerlyn who gets paid 565,000 played better than Hall. Adam Pacman Jones was paid less than a million and payed better than Hall.

Pro football focus has the best free agents available at corner and you can see where hall's rating is... -3.2... That is not worth 5+ million, I do not care what other excuses he might have, he should not be playing that bad for what the Skins were paying him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...t-cornerbacks/

[takethecake]

Didn't Hall play through injuries quite a bit last year? Or am I making that up? Might have hurt his performance

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by donofriose

To be the second worst though in the entire NFL is atrocious, no matter the pass rush or safety play. There are a lot of other starting corners in the NFL and only one player gave up more yards than Hall. That is terrible. Not even the other Redskins corner gave up more yards than Hall. Captain Munerlyn who gets paid 565,000 played better than Hall. Adam Pacman Jones was paid less than a million and payed better than Hall.

Pro football focus has the best free agents available at corner and you can see where hall's rating is... -3.2... That is not worth 5+ million, I do not care what other excuses he might have, he should not be playing that bad for what the Skins were paying him.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/blo...t-cornerbacks/

I am nots aying Hall was a top coverage cornerback but I would be interested to see how the stats were compiled.. watching games it appears the safeties let him down a lot

[Skins4L]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

I am nots aying Hall was a top coverage cornerback but I would be interested to see how the stats were compiled.. watching games it appears the safeties let him down a lot

BIGTIME. He shut down Hakeem Nicks both games. Played well when he was matched up with Dez Bryant. A few times against bryant he needed help over the top when he was in zone and looked horrible on the count of no safety play. I dunno i could go on forever i dont think he deserved the cut. But like every skins fan regardless of opinion im moving on.