Good/Bad News for a Change - 2013 18MM cap penalty probably (not) going away

[Evilgrin]

Originally Posted by warriorzpath

Mike Shanahan said yesterday the cap penalty cost them six to eight signings in free agency the past 2 offseason.

I'm glad we dont have the money then.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

I'm glad we dont have the money then.

No way.
We could have had Dunta Robinson or kept Hall and then our pick of a FA safety or two.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

No way.
We could have had Dunta Robinson or kept Hall and then our pick of a FA safety or two.

Eric Winston.

[steveo395]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

I'm glad we dont have the money then.

Seriously. I guarantee in a couple years, we're going to look back on this cap penalty and realize that it probably helped us by saving us from ourselves. This needs to be a building phase for our team where we collect as much young talent as possible so we are better off in the future. This cap penalty is forcing us to make the absolute most out of our draft picks and allow these guys to play and develop.

If we didn't have the cap penalty, we'd just be overspending on free agents that are going to be 30 years old soon in order to maybe get a few more short-term wins. This strategy does not work in the long term, as I hope you guys have figured out these last 13 years under Dan Snyder. If that hasn't taught you how to not build a team, I don't know what will. Our team is more than 1 or 2 players away from a Super Bowl. We need to keep having good picks and developing young guys. Then maybe you can sign a couple big name free agents when you have a team that is ready to go to a Super Bowl and just needs a little extra push.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by steveo395

Seriously. I guarantee in a couple years, we're going to look back on this cap penalty and realize that it probably helped us by saving us from ourselves. This needs to be a building phase for our team where we collect as much young talent as possible so we are better off in the future. This cap penalty is forcing us to make the absolute most out of our draft picks and allow these guys to play and develop.

If we didn't have the cap penalty, we'd just be overspending on free agents that are going to be 30 years old soon in order to maybe get a few more short-term wins. This strategy does not work in the long term, as I hope you guys have figured out these last 13 years under Dan Snyder. If that hasn't taught you how to not build a team, I don't know what will. Our team is more than 1 or 2 players away from a Super Bowl. We need to keep having good picks and developing young guys. Then maybe you can sign a couple big name free agents when you have a team that is ready to go to a Super Bowl and just needs a little extra push.

Build off draft picks, find a gem in free agency or through trades every once a while, and every 5 years you can get a big name that you believe is the sole missing piece, but not the building block.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by Evilgrin

I'm glad we dont have the money then.

With the way this regime adds FA who have an impact this should bother you. We could use Cox and Smith. Eric Winston as some else said not to mention a real set of NFL Ss.

Yea we won the division this last year but what if we would have won a playoff game or two. Or had a better chance of being even better this year. Or not losing a guy like Zo and Davis, I know we haven't yet but the writing is on the wall with these guys.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

So what do you guys think players like Cofield, Wilson, Bowen, Garcon, and Carricker are? I would say they are building blocks and foundations of the team.

Yea we need to draft quality player but when was having to many good players a problem?

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

So what do you guys think players like Cofield, Wilson, Bowen, Garcon, and Carricker are? I would say they are building blocks and foundations of the team.

Yea we need to draft quality player but when was having to many good players a problem?

carriker isn't a great example, as he's cost us almost nothing.

every year some of the best FA moves are the ones people didn't make. we could sign revis for 10m a year and have him tear an acl immediately or not live up to the contract. outside of byrd (who never hit FA) i don't see a ton of FAs we absolutely have to have. there's a bunch of good DBs (in the draft too), but not a ton of difference makers. mike wallace would be nice i guess, but we're already paying about a billion dollars to WRs next year anyways.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

With the way this regime adds FA who have an impact this should bother you. We could use Cox and Smith. Eric Winston as some else said not to mention a real set of NFL Ss.

Yea we won the division this last year but what if we would have won a playoff game or two. Or had a better chance of being even better this year. Or not losing a guy like Zo and Davis, I know we haven't yet but the writing is on the wall with these guys.

Its my opinion that you improve your team through the draft. That would be way too many free agent signings. Biggest winners in March end up being losers in December more often than not. Watch what happens with Miami.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

I think you are misunderstanding me, I agree that teams build through the draft but it doesn't hurt to add a few playmakers or keep your own guys.

This penalty sux no matter how you look at it.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

I think you are misunderstanding me, I agree that teams build through the draft but it doesn't hurt to add a few playmakers or keep your own guys.

This penalty sux no matter how you look at it.

I agree it hurts not to be able to keep your own guys, but adding three names in free agency in one year usually does not work for that team. But it hurts the skins in terms of who they can find as 2nd tier guys, because usually those are the guys that end up being good players and depth for teams.

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Completely agree on the second tier guys and when you look at the names I gave as examples that is exactly who I am talking about.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by artmonkforhallofamein07

Completely agree on the second tier guys and when you look at the names I gave as examples that is exactly who I am talking about.

Winston and Smith aren't really second tier guys in my opinion but Cox is. If we are talking about them in February, it probably means teams have noticed them a while back. I understand your premise now, I just wanted to make sure you weren't a "sign Haynesworth and build around him" guy.