Around the NFL Free Agency Thread 2013

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The numbers last year don't really bear that out. Only one other starting corner gave up more yards than Hall.

I'm sure the lack of safety help and lack of pass rush plays into that.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm sure the lack of safety help and lack of pass rush plays into that.

Being second worst in the NFL has no excuses. There are other corners with that dilemma and they were not second worst in the entire NFL

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by donofriose

Being second worst in the NFL has no excuses. There are other corners with that dilemma and they were not second worst in the entire NFL

Depends on the stat. Most yards given up by a CB is about as important of a stat as who ate the most sandwiches during the week.

Between zone and man, pass rush, safety help, ect. There is way to many variables to come into play. If you run a lot of zone, then the CB cant jump anything that comes his way. If you do that, OC's will send a player into your zone with the intention of you jumping them. Then they leave that zone and bring a second receiver into the zone. So a CB jumps the wrong receiver, yet is credited with a good play because the receiver he jumped didnt make a catch, when in actuality, the play was entirely his fault since he left his zone unattended.

Man to man with safety help over the top. The CB plays underneath forcing a throw to be over the CB but under the safety. M. Williams is over chatting with the cheerleaders so its an easy throw over the top for the QB. The CB is credited with a terrible play and giving up yards, yet he played it perfectly. He stopped the underneath throw and forced the QB to go over him and under the safety. The problem is the safety, but the stats go against the CB.

When a stat rates bad play as good and visa versa, we need to ask ourselves how important of a stat it actually is.

If we put every CB into man to man with no safety help on every play, then mandate that the ball is throw at exactly 3.5 seconds after the snap every single time, then that stat holds water.

[donofriose]

Originally Posted by Skinzman

Depends on the stat. Most yards given up by a CB is about as important of a stat as who ate the most sandwiches during the week.

Between zone and man, pass rush, safety help, ect. There is way to many variables to come into play. If you run a lot of zone, then the CB cant jump anything that comes his way. If you do that, OC's will send a player into your zone with the intention of you jumping them. Then they leave that zone and bring a second receiver into the zone. So a CB jumps the wrong receiver, yet is credited with a good play because the receiver he jumped didnt make a catch, when in actuality, the play was entirely his fault since he left his zone unattended.

Man to man with safety help over the top. The CB plays underneath forcing a throw to be over the CB but under the safety. M. Williams is over chatting with the cheerleaders so its an easy throw over the top for the QB. The CB is credited with a terrible play and giving up yards, yet he played it perfectly. He stopped the underneath throw and forced the QB to go over him and under the safety. The problem is the safety, but the stats go against the CB.

When a stat rates bad play as good and visa versa, we need to ask ourselves how important of a stat it actually is.

If we put every CB into man to man with no safety help on every play, then mandate that the ball is throw at exactly 3.5 seconds after the snap every single time, then that stat holds water.

I am not saying hall is the second worst corner in the NFL. I am saying that to be second worst in that category is atrocious. And I understand pass rush is directly related to pass defense and scheme is important to. But it's still terrible to be the second worst in total yards allowed in the NFL.

Again hall isn't the second worst corner in the NFL like this stat would make you believe. But there are a lot of other corners who play with the same set of handicaps as hall and they weren't that had in that stat.

Also that stat comes from pro football focus. Pro football focus does a great job finding out who's responsibility is what and that is how they determine who is responsible for the catch. They do not just look at who's in the area. They find out who was supposed to do what. For instance if a safety is supposed to be covering deep zone and the corner is supposed to be trailing but the safety didnt get over in time and its a 70 yard td (like victor Cruz td) then that negative stat goes toward the safety. But if its cover zero man to man and the corner gets beat... It's the corner. It's why I trust pro football focus more than other websites in ranking their positions.

In the end hall isn't the worst but there are better corners in free agency and there are better potential corners in the draft. And hall is not worth what the skins were paying him. Wasn't even close. He's closer to one or two million for his performances.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

I'm sure the lack of safety help and lack of pass rush plays into that.

Josh Wilson played under the same conditions yet did not give up the yardage that DHall did.

[Lotus]

NFLN reports Rashard Mendenhall to the Cards.

[Skinzman]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Josh Wilson played under the same conditions yet did not give up the yardage that DHall did.

But Josh Wilson wasnt being put one on one with TJax when we had a slim lead late in the game. Also Josh Wilsons strength is positioning. He is great at using the positioning of the safety to determine where he should be. He is not a man on man guy. He had more over the top help than DHall. Not like either had much over the top help, but Wilson had more of it.

PS.. Im not defending Hall, im glad he is gone based on what we were paying him. I am just not into every single stat that someone can claim has relevance. Remember RG3 is too short and small to be a good QB in the NFL and should have been a WR... According to some of these idiotic stats.

But if its cover zero man to man and the corner gets beat... It's the corner. It's why I trust pro football focus more than other websites in ranking their positions.

What if its cover 1 and the safety goes left instead of right when he was assigned to double to the right? PFF doesnt know the play call so has no clue they are rating it wrong, and just say the safety was assigned to the left and the CB on the right therefore had no choice but to be in straight man to man. Its a page view stat at best.

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Josh Wilson played under the same conditions yet did not give up the yardage that DHall did.

Those DB stats really don't mean much cause there's so many factors that play into it. I didn't see Wilson covering Dez Bryant when the game was on the line. Both guys have their issues, but I liked the way Hall played down the stretch last season.