It's not Brunell's fault!

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

And teams DO back off the line already because they respect Santana's deep threat ability. You know this because we don't throw deep to him, and Saunders has a history of going deep in KC and STL.

I didn't see them backing off, i saw them punking him. maybe they didn't throw to him because brunell has a noddle arm, and saunders had better QBs with better arms in KC and STL. :P

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If you want to get techincal, add a qualifier to your generalization such as "we dont throw deep often", or "we dont throw deep as much as Indy does". Saying we don't do this, and we don't do that is incorrect. We do throw all over the field, but we tend to use the flats more often than most teams.

If there's one thing I've learned on this board it's that it's not uncommon among several members to make all or nothing statements. Always and Never are two very popular words here. It's annoying but you can't change it

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by That Guy

I didn't see them backing off, i saw them punking him. maybe they didn't throw to him because brunell has a noddle arm, and saunders had better QBs with better arms in KC and STL. :P

Maybe. I'm guessing no, since I've seen him throw deep a bunch over the past two seasons. If he physically couldn't that's one thing, but he quite obviously can (I don't believe anyone who watches the games <or even a QB competition> disputes the fact that Brunell can toss it 50+ yards in the air), and all confidience issues aside, the D will generally play to the speed of the WRs, not the arm of the QB.

Remember, as soon as a D trys to get cute on us and puts all 11 guys within 5 yards of the LOS, they will get beat deep.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Maybe. I'm guessing no, since I've seen him throw deep a bunch over the past two seasons. If he physically couldn't that's one thing, but he quite obviously can (I don't believe anyone who watches the games <or even a QB competition> disputes the fact that Brunell can toss it 50+ yards in the air), and all confidience issues aside, the D will generally play to the speed of the WRs, not the arm of the QB.

Remember, as soon as a D trys to get cute on us and puts all 11 guys within 5 yards of the LOS, they will get beat deep.

Brunell has thrown deep, but its WHEN he tries thats the problem. he's only willing (or able) to when he can step into it and no one's around ("never"). he can't do it on the run, and he's not willing to unless the reciever is far enough away from a DB for Brunell to feel safe in throwing ("never").

superlatives like "never" aside, its why you always blitz Brunell, because his tendencies are the worst kept secret in the league.

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Brunell has thrown deep, but its WHEN he tries thats the problem. he's only willing (or able) to when he can step into it and no one's around ("never"). he can't do it on the run, and he's not willing to unless the reciever is far enough away from a DB for Brunell to feel safe in throwing ("never").

superlatives like "never" aside, its why you always blitz Brunell, because his tendencies are the worst kept secret in the league.

maybe he needs them that open cause he can't get great velocity on balls (to prevent them from haning up).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by illdefined

Brunell has thrown deep, but its WHEN he tries thats the problem. he's only willing (or able) to when he can step into it and no one's around ("never"). he can't do it on the run, and he's not willing to unless the reciever is far enough away from a DB for Brunell to feel safe in throwing ("never").

superlatives like "never" aside, its why you always blitz Brunell, because his tendencies are the worst kept secret in the league.

Okay, but all justifications aside, why is he still the 11th rated QB in the 6th rated offense? You make him sound like a horrid player. I'd say as bad as you make his tendencies sound, he's still quite effective against NFL defenses.

[MTK]

I really wonder where we would be if the D was playing well. Don't get me wrong the offense has plenty of room for improvement, but the defense has been horrible.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I'd put us more at like 4-3. I think we beat the Vikings and Titans with a somewhat decent defense.

[EternalEnigma21]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But if 73% completion and an interceptionless game doesn't satisfy you, then I mean WHAT THE HELL WOULD?

A FUCKING WIN WOULD!!! to answer you all caps questions...

I don't care what his stats are, he sucks and there are no stats you can throw out at me or the thousands of others that see the same thing.

wait a minute..... Mark, is that you????

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I like to look at the whole package. There are guys who throw for a bazillion yards, but have a horrible completion percentage or throw almost as many picks. Seriously, I can only think of 4-5 starting QBs that we'd be worse off having.

[illdefined]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Okay, but all justifications aside, why is he still the 11th rated QB in the 6th rated offense? You make him sound like a horrid player. I'd say as bad as you make his tendencies sound, he's still quite effective against NFL defenses.

maybe because our entire games are "garbage time". and all the completions and yards Brunell gets is what the defense provides him. can you seriously say Brunell attacks defenses? defenses have been dictating to him all season. with our defense the way it is, they can afford to be generous.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

We really don't need a deep ball. If they are all in the box like people truely think they are, run a draw. Touchdown.

How exactly does running a draw when people are in the box lead to a TD?

[Twilbert07]

Dan Daly in today's Washington Times makes a good point about Gibbs and his blind faith in Brunell.

"Gibbs' characteristic calm in the face of a storm, so important to last year's turnaround, seems almost an impediment to the club's progress these days. If Coach Joe truly thinks Brunell played "extremely well" against Indy -- after the offense generated seven points in the first 59 minutes, 41 seconds -- you have to wonder whether Mark might retire as the Redskins' quarterback. At the age of 65."

[That Guy]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Okay, but all justifications aside, why is he still the 11th rated QB in the 6th rated offense? You make him sound like a horrid player. I'd say as bad as you make his tendencies sound, he's still quite effective against NFL defenses.

garbage time. houston. he isn't very good. and he's not effective. he has the worst record in comeback situations, a bad win % here. the offense is underperforming and he's a part of it.

[Eriwar]

Bottom line if Gibbs starts MB again we know for sure it’s not a football decision. Its painfully obvious MB is a washed up QB. What he provides to this team is not enough. Gibbs pulled PR the first opportunity he had. If he was so conscious of QB play when he pulled PR where did that consciousness go when MB throws 5 yard passes on 3rd and 12's!!!!!!!! Where is that football hall of fame consciousness when MB rolls out to his left and throws the ball out of bounds? How can you maintain the respect of the team if he keeps that guy as his starter? I can’t believe I am saying this but my respect for him as a football coach is dwindling having an embarrassment for a QB as his starter. What does he see when MB plays? Does he see a good QB or his boy who shares the same faith Gibbs he has (I share the same faith Jesus Christ is Lord and my Savior) who saved his life? I just can’t imagine Bill Parcels keeping MB playing the way he does!!! Why is Todd Collins on this team? He might make a good coach one day but he is not a baller. Put Jason Campbell in and build something out of that. Our defense has no hope; your starting QB does not have the physical tools to make it happen. The bottom line is you’re to comfortable Coach and it shows by the team you put out there. Ask yourself a question if Jack Kent Cook was owner and it was 1980 would you have MB as your starter. Or would you make the hard choices and bench him.