Cheney treated like others, angry about it

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

The better argument is that our federal government clearly has no right to actually tax our incomes. No where in the constitution does it explicitly or even indirectly offer that power to the legislature. Good luck though.

The 16th Amendment explicitly allows Congress to levy incomes taxes.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

The 16th Amendment explicitly allows Congress to levy incomes taxes.

Yes, it does say that. However, I think the argument is that it contradicts previous articles of the original Constitution. I believe it is illegal/unconstitutional to make an amendment to the Constitution which negates something in the original. I'm not sure though.

[724Skinsfan]

I think there's a guy in New Hampshire who is holed-up in his fortress-like home who is currently refusing to pay his income taxes. He said he's prepared to die if the federal agents try to come in. That was a couple of days ago. Not sure what's going on with that now.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by 724Skinsfan

I think there's a guy in New Hampshire who is holed-up in his fortress-like home who is currently refusing to pay his income taxes. He said he's prepared to die if the federal agents try to come in. That was a couple of days ago. Not sure what's going on with that now.

I can understand, and I empathize. If I could do such a thing, I probably would.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

Has anyone ever heard the argument that the federal income tax is illegal and unconstitutional? I don't know the logic, but there was a movie about it called "America: Freedom to Facism". Did anyone see it?

I know a guy who goes by this and does not pay any federal income tax. Evertime I see him I ask if hes has heard form the goverment and he says no. Its only a matter time before he does get caught and it will be pay up or go to jail. They had a guy on the news fighting his case out taxes and he got something like 20 years in jail.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

An interesting site on taxation:
TAX-FREEDOM.COM

"EVERY JUDGE THAT ALLEGES THE 16TH AMENDMENT AUTHORIZES A DIRECT TAX, DESPITE THE FACT THAT THE AMENDMENT DOES NOT ACTUALLY SAY THAT, AND DESPITE THE FACT THAT ARTICLE I PROVISIONS PROHIBIT THAT, COMMITTS TREASON OF THE HIGHEST ORDER BY IGNORING AND NOT UPHOLDING THE ACTUAL WRITTEN PROVISIONS IN ARTICLE I OF THE CONSTITUTION, AND ATTEMPTING TO REPLACE THEM WITH HIS OR HER OWN PERSONAL OPINION, NOT WRITTEN IN THE CONSTITUTION." (sorry for the caps)

[dmek25]

the bottom line is, that the U.S. govt is that big, that they WILL do whatever they want, to achieve the results that they want. it might take them awhile, but they always win. its almost like the 500lbs. gorilla

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by dmek25

the bottom line is, that the U.S. govt is that big, that they WILL do whatever they want, to achieve the results that they want. it might take them awhile, but they always win. its almost like the 500lbs. gorilla

You are exactly right. It's kinda sad though. This is the type of thing our founding fathers gave their lives to get away from (i.e.: the king).

It reminds me of a quote from Ben Franklin. After leaving one of the sessions held for writing one of the important draft documents (articles of confederation, the constitution, or some other), he was asked, "what have you created?" He responded, "a republic, if you can keep it." I guess we have failed.

[firstdown]

It really does not matter if its constitutional or not we still have to pay federal taxes or go to jail.