Ted Nugent on Gun Control

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Hog1

If you check him out, he gets crucified in the press for enforcing living conditons to prisoners that our troops would love to have. Only in America....go figure

That really doesn't surprise me. Like I've said before, we live in a country that no one wants to take self responsibility. We don't teach it, and we don't enforce it. It's no wonder there are those pussies out there that complain about a guy like that.
He should have a freakin statue built in his honor.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Building jails and prisons is not that easy. People don't want to pay for them. Guilford County (where I work) has been told repeatedly by the State that we have to reduce overcrowding and need to build a new jail in Greensboro. However, our dumbass democratic commissioners have dug their heels in and they contend we simply need more "programs" in order to reduce overcrowding. It's all politics with them and it will most likely take one of our officers getting killed before someone will realize the seriousness of the situation.

I don't think we should put jail in highly populated areas. We have plenty of space out here in the desert!
Also, people shouldn't be able to vote on it unless it would be within 1 mile of them, or schools. We NEED more jails...people shouldn't bitch and moan so it doesn't happen.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I don't think we should put jail in highly populated areas. We have plenty of space out here in the desert!
Also, people shouldn't be able to vote on it unless it would be within 1 mile of them, or schools. We NEED more jails...people shouldn't bitch and moan so it doesn't happen.

You're confusing jails with prisons. Jails have to be built near a courthouse. The voters vote on bonds to build the jails. We have been trying to avoid putting it before the voters because we know it won't pass. It's not a popular issue and the press has not been on the Sheriff's side either. Our democrat commissioners want to dance around and say that we don't need a jail and that our republican sheriff doesn't care that the people will have to pay more taxes. Politics. If Guilford County keeps screwing around the Feds will eventually come in and tell us where and how we will build a jail. We won't have any say at that point and the County will end up paying more for it.

[Hog1]

I'm sure you DO NOT want the kind of help the Fed is going to give you?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

You're confusing jails with prisons. Jails have to be built near a courthouse. The voters vote on bonds to build the jails. We have been trying to avoid putting it before the voters because we know it won't pass. It's not a popular issue and the press has not been on the Sheriff's side either. Our democrat commissioners want to dance around and say that we don't need a jail and that our republican sheriff doesn't care that the people will have to pay more taxes. Politics. If Guilford County keeps screwing around the Feds will eventually come in and tell us where and how we will build a jail. We won't have any say at that point and the County will end up paying more for it.

Well, #1- who says it HAS to be near the courthouse (rhetorical)? #2- Build UP.
I am not mistaken prisons for jails...to me I think it's moronic that we have restrictions on jails, there is no need for them. They should be and could be anywhere. There will always be someone there to complain, so if that happens, then move them outside of town where no one is.
While I do think we need more prisons, we need more jails even more.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Well, #1- who says it HAS to be near the courthouse (rhetorical)? #2- Build UP.
I am not mistaken prisons for jails...to me I think it's moronic that we have restrictions on jails, there is no need for them. They should be and could be anywhere. There will always be someone there to complain, so if that happens, then move them outside of town where no one is.
While I do think we need more prisons, we need more jails even more.

We can have 50-75 inmates scheduled for court everyday, not to mention the federal inmates we house for federal court. They have to be in close proximity to the courthouses due to transportation/security issues. We have 2 courthouses/jails in our county. It would be a nightmare transporting them all over the county everyday. People complain that the courts don't run efficiently enough. If the inmates weren't close by it would slow them down even more.

Most jails like ours are old and aren't rated for expansion. Plus, where do you put the inmates while you're renovating? The newer jails being built today are being built with expansion in mind.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

We can have 50-75 inmates scheduled for court everyday, not to mention the federal inmates we house for federal court. They have to be in close proximity to the courthouses due to transportation/security issues. We have 2 courthouses/jails in our county. It would be a nightmare transporting them all over the county everyday. People complain that the courts don't run efficiently enough. If the inmates weren't close by it would slow them down even more.

Most jails like ours are old and aren't rated for expansion. Plus, where do you put the inmates while you're renovating? The newer jails being built today are being built with expansion in mind.

You make good points LB, but to transport criminals 1 hour (say), is no big deal. It can easily be done.
I'm not saying to house N.C's criminals here in the desert, I was just pointing out that we have a ton of space here...I know the east coast is tougher, but you have areas with plenty of space too.
Cambridge, MA houses a lot of criminals, it is right outside of Boston, and it looks like a normal building. If you didn't know any better you would just think it was an average building. A lot of cities should think about building multi level jails. You go up a good 20-50 floors to house these people, but make the building blend in with other buildings.
Build a jail outside of town, a large one, then move all the inmates...when they are moved, then you renovate the old one, now you have 4 times the room to house these people.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You make good points LB, but to transport criminals 1 hour (say), is no big deal. It can easily be done.
I'm not saying to house N.C's criminals here in the desert, I was just pointing out that we have a ton of space here...I know the east coast is tougher, but you have areas with plenty of space too.
Cambridge, MA houses a lot of criminals, it is right outside of Boston, and it looks like a normal building. If you didn't know any better you would just think it was an average building. A lot of cities should think about building multi level jails. You go up a good 20-50 floors to house these people, but make the building blend in with other buildings.
Build a jail outside of town, a large one, then move all the inmates...when they are moved, then you renovate the old one, now you have 4 times the room to house these people.

Ok, that made me LOL.

Two questions:

Have you ever worked in detention?

How do you pay for a jail when no one wants to raise taxes to pay for it?

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Ok, that made me LOL.

Two questions:

Have you ever worked in detention?

How do you pay for a jail when no one wants to raise taxes to pay for it?

No, I have not...why have you?

Well, there comes a time when you should do it for the sake of the community. It could be "required" if need be.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

No, I have not...why have you?

Well, there comes a time when you should do it for the sake of the community. It could be "required" if need be.

I thought you knew about my background. 8 years as Criminal Superior Court Clerk. In my current position (5 years) I do two jobs -Administrative Assistant to the Captain of a Detention Facility and I run background checks/process handgun permit applicants.

[itvnetop]

Sorry to hi-jack, but LB... that youtube vid on your sig is hilarious!

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by itvnetop

Sorry to hi-jack, but LB... that youtube vid on your sig is hilarious!

It is funny. Kinda weird, but funny.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

I thought you knew about my background. 8 years as Criminal Superior Court Clerk. In my current position (5 years) I do two jobs -Administrative Assistant to the Captain of a Detention Facility and I run background checks/process handgun permit applicants.

You probably said it, but my memory isn't the greatest.

So why would it be so hard to escort people from an hour away? At least now I can get a good answer as to why rather than speculation.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

It is funny. Kinda weird, but funny.

That is pretty gay.
While it does sound like common arguments here, it's still pretty damn gay.

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You probably said it, but my memory isn't the greatest.

So why would it be so hard to escort people from an hour away? At least now I can get a good answer as to why rather than speculation.

It's basically about efficiency. We need to get the inmates in and out of court as fast as possible. I'll give you one example. Let's say the DA starts a trial, but the case breaks down and he decides to start calling jail cases. If those inmates are a considerable distance away it would take too much time to round them up and transport them. Also, some inmates don't like to go quietly so that adds more time. The DA doesn't usually plan ahead for a trial breaking down because that would mean putting too many defense attorney's on stand by. Feeding them would be a nightmare.

Counties typically don't want to spend money on the extra transportation cost and man power it would take to transport the inmates. Attorney's, agency reps, probation officers and visitors don't want to have to go multiple locations to conduct court/jail business. They tend to like one stop shopping.