The legacy of 'W'?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I went to a Mormon church as an adolescent for a few years with my best friend at the time, who was a Mormon.

I have been to churches of several different Christian faiths, and that church was not much different than any other. In fact, it was a little more focused and I enjoyed it more than any other church I had previously been to.

Mormons believe that Christ was the savior, and the Bible is a large part of their teachings. They just have one additional book: The Book of Mormon. During my time attending that church, I didn't ever hear or see anything that was uniquely "Mormon" -- except that communion was with water, instead of wine. Maybe I would have noticed something else, if I had paid closer attention (remember, I was an adolescent).

That said, there is definitely an attitude of disdain surrounding the Mormon faith. I know because I have encountered it on several occasions. Many people focus on polygamy and their strict dietary habits. However, none of the hundreds of Mormons who attended my church had more than one wife, and their diets were average for the most part -- albeit a little healthier. That's not to say there aren't Orthodox Mormons, and fanatics, but every faith has them. I believe the attitude is mostly just due to ignorance.

I think it'll be difficult for a Mormon candidate to get elected. It's not that easy to overcome ignorance.

*I'm not an expert on the Mormon faith, so I could be a little off on some details*

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and have NO sense of nuance. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and have NO sense of nuance. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.

Well said.
Although maybe you should change your views. LOL JK

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and have NO sense of nuance. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.

I will try to control my language when someone has supportive things to say about Bush that I think are wrong. You're right, of course. I do think Bushites need a reality check and I'm sorry I get wild about it.

A couple of points: I supported Bush when we went to Afghanistan and initially believed him about Iraq, for which I will forever repent and think myself a moron. Also, I'm not much of a liberal, so don't deserve much praise or scorn on that score. I 'm a fiscal conservative and an opponent of abortion who doesn't believe in centralizing power to any great extent. I also have a true conservative's dislike of unnecessary involvement in foreign wars and an instinctive distrust of anyone in power, Republican or Democrat..
My negative feelings about Bush come more from my conservative-Christian side than my leftist side. I think the right has become so extreme that it is no longer conservative but fascist. Bush is even worse than Kennedy and Johnson in this regard.
Hitler, by the way, was a fascist who had many liberal sensibilities and was in a way Bush's opposite.
At any rate, teachers don't live in ivory towers these days. The forties and fifties are over.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Crazyhorse,

I normally refrain from writing the following kinds of posts, but I am making an exception for you as you have constantly told members that they are ignorant fools.

I knew from reading your posts that you were either a college professor or a college student. You are very preachy, condescending, self-righteous, melodramatic, and have NO sense of nuance. It is obvious you get extremely emotional when talking politics and that affects your objectivity and sense of proportionality. It came as no surprise to learn that you are an english professor. Sometimes your posts read like propoganda coming out of North Korea (i.e., "The imperialist swine have continued their violent, bloodthirsty march toward a corrupt, capitalist-pig scheme.") Please stop watching the movie "V for Vendetta," listening to Air America, and chilling with fellow professors of similar political persuasions.

I know you think you're fighting the good fight and informing those of us who just need to go through some "re-education camps." But, you're just coming off as that condescending, melodramatic, and self-righteous guy who lives in an ivory tower.

PS - I'm not responding to Crazyhorse's viewpoints (as I share some of his views), but the manner in which he expresses them.

I will try to control my language when someone has supportive things to say about Bush that I think are wrong. You're right, of course. I do think Bushites need a reality check and I'm sorry I get wild about it.

A couple of points: I supported Bush when we went to Afghanistan and initially believed him about Iraq, for which I will forever repent and think myself a moron. Also, I'm not much of a liberal, so don't deserve much praise or scorn on that score. I 'm a fiscal conservative and an opponent of abortion who doesn't believe in centralizing power to any great extent. I also have a true conservative's dislike of unnecessary involvement in foreign wars and an instinctive distrust of anyone in power, Republican or Democrat..
My negative feelings about Bush come more from my conservative-Christian side than my leftist side. I think the right has become so extreme that it is no longer conservative but fascist. Bush is even worse than Kennedy and Johnson in this regard.
Hitler, by the way, was a fascist who had many liberal sensibilities and was in a way Bush's opposite, as well as much more like Kennedy or Johnson. All four were/are lying psychopaths and incompetent to boot.
At any rate, teachers don't live in ivory towers these days. I have an impressive number of real life injuries. The forties and fifties are over.

I think I went to the same college as jsarno and later taught there. What an irony if I was one of his teachers.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

I think I went to the same college as jsarno and later taught there. What an irony if I was one of his teachers.

What college did you go to? (and teach at?)

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by jsarno

What college did you go to? (and teach at?)

The University of Arkansas at Fayetteville. Both quarterback Joe Ferguson (later of the Bills) and Bill Clinton were there when I was. I'm not sure whether Clinton was teaching classes or taking them, or both.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Crazyhorse1

The University of Arkansas at Fayetteville. Both quarterback Joe Ferguson (later of the Bills) and Bill Clinton were there when I was. I'm not sure whether Clinton was teaching classes or taking them, or both.

Nope...I went to Harding University in Searcy, Arkansas for my freshman and sophomore years. I did travel to Little Rock and Fayetteville to watch the razorbacks play though. Harding got too expensive for me and was too strict on the rules...it's a private Christian college.

[RobH4413]

My family always got a kick at how racist all of the older relatives were.

My great aunt (who passed away about a year ago) was insane. She would rant on and on about how she hated the Russians, the Chinese, the Hispanics... It was hysterical.

Finally one of us just asked her which she hated the most.

After much deliberation, she concluded it was the Chinese. Why? Because they didn't even talk... They just made noises.

God bless her insane little heart.

[12thMan]

Boy, this is a tough crowd.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Crazyhorse,

Sorry to be rude and I know I sounded like a jerk, I was just reacting to what I thought were rude statements. I was being hypocritical in that sense.

[12thMan]

Here's the thing, and I swear I'm leaving it alone after this

But if the mods are open to the idea, I think it's something that could be discussed/debated within a thread, but it would have to be a controlled environment.

*For instance, only six people permitted to be allowed in the discussion at any given time. Maybe over the course of two consecutive days.

*No four letter words allowed under no circumstances; Even if one is only expressing his/her views.

*The thread would be locked to everyone else until the Mods opened it up to a new designated "group". Others are free to view, but not post as the forum is only open to those six men/woman during that time. The reason for this is so that you don't have any hit and run posters as to inflame an already sensitive topic.

I have some more suggestions on how to open this debate/discussion up, but that's just a good safe place to start. That's just how 12th would do it...I'm just saying!

[Lady Brave]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Here's the thing, and I swear I'm leaving it alone after this

But if the mods are open to the idea, I think it's something that could be discussed/debated within a thread, but it would have to be a controlled environment.

*For instance, only six people permitted to be allowed in the discussion at any given time. Maybe over the course of two consecutive days.

*No four letter words allowed under no circumstances; Even if one is only expressing his/her views.

*The thread would be locked to everyone else until the Mods opened it up to a new designated "group". Others are free to view, but not post as the forum is only open to those six men/woman during that time. The reason for this is so that you don't have any hit and run posters as to inflame an already sensitive topic.

I have some more suggestions on how to open this debate/discussion up, but that's just a good safe place to start. That's just how 12th would do it...I'm just saying!

Only one woman? How do we choose who participates? Rock, paper, scissors? Cage match? I don't know about that. Hess is a scrapper.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Only one woman? How do we choose who participates? Rock, paper, scissors? Cage match? I don't know about that. Hess is a scrapper.

Good question. I think first of all someone who really wants to engage in this discussion and who isn't simply bored until the season starts.There are a few other criteria I would suggest in addition to the above.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Lady Brave

Only one woman? How do we choose who participates? Rock, paper, scissors? Cage match? I don't know about that. Hess is a scrapper.

Where has she been? I haven't seen her in a while.