Vince Young overrated?

[Campbell17]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Considering there are a TON of people that criticize Eli and NONE that do Young, I am afraid you're wrong. A lot of people say Eli sucks, including Giants fans, how many do you hear that say Young sucks????

Give it time though, Eli started with a ton of hype and took a lot of time before people called him overrated, the same will happen with young. People are still dazzled by his legs and overlook his shortcomings with his arm. Vick's luster also died out, Young's will too.

You're right, any qb who runs has a much higher % of injury, and he already has one coming, he's on the Madden cover.

[djnemo65]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Considering there are a TON of people that criticize Eli and NONE that do Young, I am afraid you're wrong. A lot of people say Eli sucks, including Giants fans, how many do you hear that say Young sucks????

Give it time though, Eli started with a ton of hype and took a lot of time before people called him overrated, the same will happen with young. People are still dazzled by his legs and overlook his shortcomings with his arm. Vick's luster also died out, Young's will too.

Why are you so convinced that Young isn't going to continue to improve with experience? It wasn't until Eli's third season that people really started dumping on him. If Young has not improved half-way through next season then a post like this might become appropriate, but as of right now Young is doing pretty well for someone with barely a season's worth of starts.

And why do you insist on continuing to compare him to Vick? They might both be athletic but I think it is clear at this point that they are quite different when it comes to character. That matters on the field as well as off of it.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by djnemo65

Why are you so convinced that Young isn't going to continue to improve with experience? It wasn't until Eli's third season that people really started dumping on him. If Young has not improved half-way through next season then a post like this might become appropriate, but as of right now Young is doing pretty well for someone with barely a season's worth of starts.

And why do you insist on continuing to compare him to Vick? They might both be athletic but I think it is clear at this point that they are quite different when it comes to character. That matters on the field as well as off of it.

1- It's been a season and a half of him playing. Sure he's still "green" but he's getting worse, not better. Today yet again, he looked bad. He actually threw for a lot of yards (257) but had 2 costly int's and only 1 td.
Look at his 4th quarter today. He did throw the 1 td on the first play of the 4th quarter, but after that, he went 3 and out (including a fumble). Then on the 2nd series, got 1 first down, then another first down on a penalty, then had a turnover on downs. On the last series, he was going to go 3 and out, but threw an INT instead. He's no leader on the field, and he doesn't have any talent throwing the ball, only running it.
2- I never once attacked his character, and when I compare him to Michael Vick, it's on the field only. I know it's been a while but I have said this more than once on this thread. And I don't think it matters as much as you think. Vick won a lot of games, and look at his character. Fact is, Vick was a better QB overall, and I think Vick sucked.

About Eli, I'd take Eli 20 times over Young. Eli is a good qb, and he can win a game with his arm. He can be a leader, and he has been...he's been too inconsistant to be considered great at this point though.

Yet another poor performance by Vince Young and still people don't see him for what he is. Obviously my work is still cut out for me.

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by jsarno

1- It's been a season and a half of him playing. Sure he's still "green" but he's getting worse, not better. Today yet again, he looked bad. He actually threw for a lot of yards (257) but had 2 costly int's and only 1 td.
Look at his 4th quarter today. He did throw the 1 td on the first play of the 4th quarter, but after that, he went 3 and out (including a fumble). Then on the 2nd series, got 1 first down, then another first down on a penalty, then had a turnover on downs. On the last series, he was going to go 3 and out, but threw an INT instead. He's no leader on the field, and he doesn't have any talent throwing the ball, only running it.
2- I never once attacked his character, and when I compare him to Michael Vick, it's on the field only. I know it's been a while but I have said this more than once on this thread. And I don't think it matters as much as you think. Vick won a lot of games, and look at his character. Fact is, Vick was a better QB overall, and I think Vick sucked.

About Eli, I'd take Eli 20 times over Young. Eli is a good qb, and he can win a game with his arm. He can be a leader, and he has been...he's been too inconsistant to be considered great at this point though.

Yet another poor performance by Vince Young and still people don't see him for what he is. Obviously my work is still cut out for me.

You don't have to convince me....I've watched him play here....DEFINITELY overrated. This was a game where their D struggled and they couldn't run the ball so it was all on him....and he failed miserably. Your comparison to Vick is right on in the fact that both are not very smart guys, they can't make quick decisions in their head about coverage so they just run....and while that worked in college, it doesn't cut it in the NFL.

[Campbell17]

Why don't we post a thread that talks about our bad football team, and not some good team with a decent QB.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Campbell17

Why don't we post a thread that talks about our bad football team, and not some good team with a decent QB.

Oh, there will be plenty of those...and no one is stopping you from doing so.

PS- We're talking about a good team with an extremely overrated QB. (just needed to clarify there.)

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

He's looking pretty smart, accurate, and impressive tonight, notwithstanding an awful lot of key drops by his wideouts.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

He's looking pretty smart, accurate, and impressive tonight, notwithstanding an awful lot of key drops by his wideouts.

It should easily be 20-14. Roydell Williams just flat out dropped a beautiful pass from VY. I think his passing game and NFL IQ need some polish, but his leadership, heart, arm, and legs are fantastic.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

He's looking pretty smart, accurate, and impressive tonight, notwithstanding an awful lot of key drops by his wideouts.

While I agree, he did look better than normal on that monday night game, I think you are over valueing his play.
Yes, he did have a lot of drops, but he was also off on several throws including his touchdown pass. He also, yet again, had too many turnovers.
Like I said, he did play better, but even Vick would have games where he looked good only to give fans false hope, then he would shatter them the following week with poor play. I'm sure VY will will have a horrible game again. I mean, the guy has 5 passing tds, and a whopping 12 int's. You can only blame your WR's so much.
Just in case anyone has missed it, he has 2 passing tds and 6 ints in the past3 games. (and he's 1-2 in those games)

[BleedBurgundy]

I hate to make the obvious statement but it seems as though his situation is very simlar to what Vick's was.

Parallels:

Super mobile
Not a very good passer (yet)
Bad Wideouts
Great Running Game
Wins despite overall poor stats
Decent to strong defense.

With all that said, I think VY will be better than vick as a passer but I don't know by how much.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

With all that said, I think VY will be better than vick as a passer but I don't know by how much.

I agree.

At the very least, Vince sets his feet and throws. It doesn't seem to be helping all that much, but at least he's fundamentally sound.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

I hate to make the obvious statement but it seems as though his situation is very simlar to what Vick's was.

Parallels:

Super mobile
Not a very good passer (yet)
Bad Wideouts
Great Running Game
Wins despite overall poor stats
Decent to strong defense.

With all that said, I think VY will be better than vick as a passer but I don't know by how much.

True. But in light of Atlanta's woes without Vick, it seems like Vick was a good player if mediocre to poor passer? Vince is overrated by many, but like Vick he's a playmaker.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

True. But in light of Atlanta's woes without Vick, it seems like Vick was a good player if mediocre to poor passer? Vince is overrated by many, but like Vick he's a playmaker.

Vick's value to his team was declining with age, for obvious reasons, and because of receiving the richest deal in all of sports at the time, his cap number was skyrocketing.

To me, I see that Vince has the ability to stick in this league because he will improve throwing over time. It's just that, by the time he figures it out, he will no longer be a dual threat guy. He's never going to live up to the potential of the 3rd overall pick.

[BleedBurgundy]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

True. But in light of Atlanta's woes without Vick, it seems like Vick was a good player if mediocre to poor passer? Vince is overrated by many, but like Vick he's a playmaker.

Yeah, atlanta is a sorry football team right now, no doubt. I wonder if some of these guys who have such overwhelming physical skills have trouble trusting a scheme/play? It seems like Vick and Young both have such tremendous talent that they always trust their own ability before the coach's gameplan. Maybe the correct term is Playbreaker instead of playmaker since they have a history of making huge individual plays and they have a tendency to abandon the plan in favor of putting the game on their back.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Yeah, atlanta is a sorry football team right now, no doubt. I wonder if some of these guys who have such overwhelming physical skills have trouble trusting a scheme/play? It seems like Vick and Young both have such tremendous talent that they always trust their own ability before the coach's gameplan. Maybe the correct term is Playbreaker instead of playmaker since they have a history of making huge individual plays and they have a tendency to abandon the plan in favor of putting the game on their back.

Good point. Great running skills are definately a double edged sword if used improperly, IMO. You can pick up crucial first downs, but you can also miss open receivers that good out of the pocket QBs like McNabb, Romo, Palmer...etc would turn into big passing plays.