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[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

What is your point with college? What can't be done? What is NMSU? By the way, I paid my tuition...it wasn't free. Yeah, I bet you $200 to $300 per credit hour.

This might help

http://fa.nmsu.edu/forms/coa0607.pdf

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

This might help

http://fa.nmsu.edu/forms/coa0607.pdf

Thanks SS. And it proved my point. Thanks for that.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Thanks SS. And it proved my point. Thanks for that.

Please explain how that proved your point? I am not sure you know what the arguement is about here.

BTW- by your last comment, you obviously jumped into the argument not knowing the base.
We were talking about a program that paid for your tuition, all you needed to do was come up with whatever other expenses there were, which are minor.

ps- $889 for NEW books per year is damn cheap. Cut that in half for used books and you're looking at around $225 per semester.

So let's look at the figures SS supplied for us. (BTW NMSU is a branch here in Carlsbad)
$1162 - Tuition and fees
$4602 - Room and board
$889 - Books and supplies
$1980 - Personal expenses
$1500 - Transportation

Take away Tuition if you are on the program we were discussing, take away room and board because I already live here as does everyone that goes to NMSU in Carlsbad. Personal Expenses is for financial aid purposes, but that is why you work a full time job to pay for your own personal expenses. Transportation is taken care of by yourself as well. That leaves approx. $225 per semester (as I showed by cutting books in half by buying used). I'll even throw in a few more dollars and bring it to $500 per year.
If you can't afford $500 a year to go to college, there is nothing you can afford.
Nice link SS. Thanks.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

What is your point with college? What can't be done? What is NMSU? By the way, I paid my tuition...it wasn't free. Yeah, I bet you $200 to $300 per credit hour.

You quoted me at $200-$300 per NON TUITION..IE: Books. You didn't even realize what you were quoting. SS proved that she is correct with those figures. Unless I am not understanding you because you are betting me $200-$300 per credit hour or something. Not understanding what you're getting at.
Again...don't jump into an argument if you don't know what is going on.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by jsarno

You quoted me at $200-$300 per NON TUITION..IE: Books. You didn't even realize what you were quoting. SS proved that she is correct with those figures. Unless I am not understanding you because you are betting me $200-$300 per credit hour or something. Not understanding what you're getting at.
Again...don't jump into an argument if you don't know what is going on.

Sorry. I read it wrong. My bad. I'm not saying you can't cut corners with things like books and transporation (if you happen to be lucky enough to live within 25 miles from the school,) but what I am saying is that it isn't always possible. It isn't always possible to go to the cheapest schools (and by the way, you do get what you pay for,) as it isn't always possible to get the cheapest health insurance (which is what this thread is really about.) What you have to realize is simply saying, "go find cheaper insurance" isn't always going to be possible. Saying things like, "go to the cheapest college" isnt' always possible either. Believe it or not, not everywhere is like New Mexico. Sometimes you do have to settle for what is available.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

Sorry. I read it wrong. My bad. I'm not saying you can't cut corners with things like books and transporation (if you happen to be lucky enough to live within 25 miles from the school,) but what I am saying is that it isn't always possible. It isn't always possible to go to the cheapest schools (and by the way, you do get what you pay for,) as it isn't always possible to get the cheapest health insurance (which is what this thread is really about.) What you have to realize is simply saying, "go find cheaper insurance" isn't always going to be possible. Saying things like, "go to the cheapest college" isnt' always possible either. Believe it or not, not everywhere is like New Mexico. Sometimes you do have to settle for what is available.

That is a valid argument. I am assuming that most of you live in a college dense area. I lived in an extremely college dense area when I lived in Boston and there were always a ton of colleges to choose from.

[Schneed10]

Yeah I don't really get this whole debate over college costs, seems out of place in this thread. But fees, books, and related costs are nothing in the grand scheme. You're talking about a couple thousand dollars over the course of four years, compared to crazy tuition bills, that's squadoosh.

But whatever, stuff costs what it costs. If you thought it wasn't worth it, you wouldn't pay it.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Yeah I don't really get this whole debate over college costs, seems out of place in this thread. But fees, books, and related costs are nothing in the grand scheme. You're talking about a couple thousand dollars over the course of four years, compared to crazy tuition bills, that's squadoosh.

But whatever, stuff costs what it costs. If you thought it wasn't worth it, you wouldn't pay it.

I don't know. Jsarno and Matty had gotten on the subject and I only wanted to add that there other costs with college other than tuition. Then suddenly my college was free??? I guess I should stop paying on student loans.

Anyways, back on the subject. Yeah, I agree wth you Schneed10, there are a lot of gray areas when it comes to what are needs in the health field and what are luxuries. I think we all can agree that plastic surgery is a luxury. My whole gripe with it all is that those who are born with health problems (like my ex with diabetes) seem to be penalized for being born unhealthy.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

But fees, books, and related costs are nothing in the grand scheme. You're talking about a couple thousand dollars over the course of four years, compared to crazy tuition bills, that's squadoosh.

exactly!!

[jsarno]

This argument really is going no where...so I will leave it until I get that info on the program I was speaking of.
I'll try to post it here tomorrow night.

[MTK]

It's right there in black and white, $4369 in non tuition related expenses.

Yes, if I'm driving 20 miles out of my way every day, hell yeah that's an expense, why is that so hard to understand??

LOL someone posts a source, you take what you want from it and disregard the rest. Really brilliant.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

It's right there in black and white, $4369 in non tuition related expenses.

Yes, if I'm driving 20 miles out of my way every day, hell yeah that's an expense, why is that so hard to understand??

LOL someone posts a source, you take what you want from it and disregard the rest. Really brilliant.

I am done with you and this argument...you refuse to see what is truth. Like I said, it actually cost you around $250 in gas, yet they are getting $1500? From where, the magical college fairy...it's for FINANCIAL AID purposes ONLY. YOU DON'T ACTUALLY PAY THAT. Holy shit matty...I guess I was wrong to expect you to use your head. I guess every single person spends $889 on books too...no one will pay $890, or $888. Since matty says it's in there black and white, you are all skrewed and it MUST be EXACT.
Damn you're dense.
Like I said, I am done arguing with you...I'm better off arguing with the wall. You don't know what you're talking about, I live here, I do know what I'm talking about...but I guess you know better living in NY.
Good luck Matty.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I am done with you and this argument...you refuse to see what is truth. Like I said, it actually cost you around $250 in gas, yet they are getting $1500? From where, the magical college fairy...it's for FINANCIAL AID purposes ONLY. YOU DON'T ACTUALLY PAY THAT. Holy shit matty...I guess I was wrong to expect you to use your head. I guess every single person spends $889 on books too...no one will pay $890, or $888. Since matty says it's in there black and white, you are all skrewed and it MUST be EXACT.
Damn you're dense.
Like I said, I am done arguing with you...I'm better off arguing with the wall. You don't know what you're talking about, I live here, I do know what I'm talking about...but I guess you know better living in NY.
Good luck Matty.

These figures are estimated expenses for attending college. I'm not the one making them up. Obviously some people will have more expenses, some less, but I think generally these numbers are in the ball park. Again, I just think it's funny you'll use the numbers that benefit your argument, and totally disregard the numbers that go against your argument.

The basic point here is that there is more expenses involved with going to college than tuition only, wasn't that the original argument here? You seem to think all you need is tuition and book money and you're all set. Obviously that's not the case, otherwise why does that source estimate $4369 in other expenses??

What does my living in NY have anything to do with this? Now you're really losing me.

[MTRedskinsFan]

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me, but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn unless I am a hockey player or athlete, then I can get looked at right away. Go figure. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself, but are not allowed to spend money to get healthy.

Sorry to break it to you but your friend is lying through his nicotene plated teeth. My family did business in Canada for over twenty years during which health care was a regular topic. Nobody in Canada is forced to use the government system, that's total bullshit. There's a private system and a public one. Lots of people use some form of private health insurance for family care, and let the government pay for major operations.

As a grad student I studied health care among all the industrialized nations.
1. We spend almost twice per capita as the OECD average
2. Infant mortality rate is higher here than in all other fully industrialized countries
3. Longevity among Americans is lower than average
4. Medical error and death due to medical error is literally off the charts in America compared w/ other industrialized nations.
5. Appx 22,000 Americans die every year because they are refused treatment for not carrying health insurance

[MTK]

Originally Posted by MTRedskinsFan

12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze, cigarettes, junk food and anything else that could kill me, but I am not allowed by law to spend my money on getting an operation I need because that would be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn unless I am a hockey player or athlete, then I can get looked at right away. Go figure. Where else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself, but are not allowed to spend money to get healthy.

Sorry to break it to you but your friend is lying through his nicotene plated teeth. My family did business in Canada for over twenty years during which health care was a regular topic. Nobody in Canada is forced to use the government system, that's total bullshit. There's a private system and a public one. Lots of people use some form of private health insurance for family care, and let the government pay for major operations.

As a grad student I studied health care among all the industrialized nations.
1. We spend almost twice per capita as the OECD average
2. Infant mortality rate is higher here than in all other fully industrialized countries
3. Longevity among Americans is lower than average
4. Medical error and death due to medical error is literally off the charts in America compared w/ other industrialized nations.
5. Appx 22,000 Americans die every year because they are refused treatment for not carrying health insurance

We already established that this email he posted was one of those cheesy email forwards and not from his actual friend.