Gov. Spitzer Linked to Prostitution Ring

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Actually, the Republican-led Congress made gay marriage a big, national issue when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. The MA Supreme Court didn't issue it's ruling until 2004.

I agree that nearly all law is based on society's morals. But, IMO, the modern day right is pretty well known for pushing certain values (i.e., Christian values) to the exclusion of others. In that regard, the right has lost its way and has strayed too far from its "small government" roots.

There is certainly a lot the Republican party needs to improve on, and hopefully-should he get elected-McCain will return some to the "government is not the solution, government is the problem" mantra.

The fact that many Republicans don't seem to care for McCain is, I think, actually a positive sign for the GOP.

Still, to imply that all Republicans (myself included) are extreme right wing, homophobic, xenophobic, minority bashing amoral gun nuts-as some here seem to do-is rather ignorant.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Actually, the Republican-led Congress made gay marriage a big, national issue when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. The MA Supreme Court didn't issue it's ruling until 2004.

I agree that nearly all law is based on society's morals. But, IMO, the modern day right is pretty well known for pushing certain values (i.e., Christian values) to the exclusion of others. In that regard, the right has lost its way and has strayed too far from its "small government" roots.

If I'm correct the reason that the Congress passed the law is because Judges where in effect making laws by overturning laws based off their view of weather it was right or wrong. I could be off on this but thats how I remember this happening.

[dmek25]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

A woman is humiliated by husband in public manner and clearly in a difficult situation and the commentary from warpathers is (in short form) - she's hot, I'd hit on her, etc.

Perhaps, just perhaps, this is why some of our female members take issue w/ our analysis at times.

I'm just saying....

have we, as a society, become that sensitive, that we cant joke at each other? this sounds like a quote from a media source. Joe, you working for Fox news? and someone else said they really don't feel bad for his wife. she is about a big a victim, as anyone else involved. i don't get the hostility towards her. maybe she is already suffering from the Hilliary complex. people hating on her for trying to save her marriage

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There is certainly a lot the Republican party needs to improve on, and hopefully-should he get elected-McCain will return some to the "government is not the solution, government is the problem" mantra.

The fact that many Republicans don't seem to care for McCain is, I think, actually a positive sign for the GOP.

Still, to imply that all Republicans (myself included) are extreme right wing, homophobic, xenophobic, minority bashing amoral gun nuts-as some here seem to do-is rather ignorant.

We're not?? Damn, now what do I do with my petition to stop any and all minorities, homosexuals, and foreigners from practicing un-american activities by permitting christians the right to shoot them on sight??

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Part of his job is to make sure laws are inforced. So he losses his job for not doing his job.

Bullshite he loses his job because it made headlines and half the political system hates the other half. If this guy was me or you, or even someone famous but not political everything is okay and forgotten.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Bullshite he loses his job because it made headlines and half the political system hates the other half. If this guy was me or you, or even someone famous but not political everything is okay and forgotten.

I don't know where you work but I want to work there:

Hijinx: Hey boss, I committed adultery for the last decade or so by soliciting sex from prostitutes and in the process violated banking regulations, not to mention abused special priviliges my job status has given me.

Boss: That's cool. I don't hate.

[Hijinx]

Okay this is my last post on this thread there are to many dense people who will turn it anyway they want.

1)I never said what he did was not a crime, despite that fact some dim bulbs in here think I did.

2) This is a misdemeanors crime at most. Any federal charges would be a stretch at best. The money laundering would be hard to prove seeing how he wasn't owner of the accounts the money moved to. I can't see a jury conviction on this one. The moving women across state lines thing is a law meant to stop "white" slavery. And has major jail time with it. Can anyone really say the guy deserves 10-12 years for this? Maybe if he killed one of the girls.

3) My original point remains true. This will be blown up and made into a greater deal then it was, because of party politics and media attention.

4)This is one of those "crimes" that doesn't affect anyone else except Spitzer, the hooker, and his family.(but not much more than if he just cheated)

5)Most of this victimless "crime", (ie. prostitution, most drug use, gambling, etc) are only crimes because someone is imposing their morals on someone else. (see prohibition, that worked well, as is the "war on drugs"

6) The fact this guy was a dem, doesn't matter to me I didn't think Larry Craig deserved to lose his job either. But leave to some, who wanted to turn everything I say into ,"your just mad because he is a dem" and make personal insults at me.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I don't know where you work but I want to work there:

Hijinx: Hey boss, I committed adultery for the last decade or so by soliciting sex from prostitutes and in the process violated banking regulations, not to mention abused special priviliges my job status has given me.

Boss: That's cool. I don't hate.

Hijinx: Oh, and by the way did I mention actually assisted the planning for and actually funded the transportation of prostitutes across State lines?

Boss: Sweet. Does that mean you can import me some hot Cali ass?

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Still, to imply that all Republicans (myself included) are extreme right wing, homophobic, xenophobic, minority bashing amoral gun nuts-as some here seem to do-is rather ignorant.

I know you weren't specifically addressing me, but I want to make clear that I certainly don't believe that right-wingers are homophobic, xenophobic, etc.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by Buster

So you're admitting we shouldn't expect much morality from Democrats, so when they do things like this, we should chalk it up to expected behavior?

I guess that's how Clinton survived all of his lies, crimes and infidelities and is even getting a second chance through his wife...he already had a track record of it when we elected him the FIRST time, so we just said "that's Bill being Bill."

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner!

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by 70Chip

It was the Massachussets Supreme Court that made homosexual marriage an issue, not George Bush and not Christians. To the extent they were overzealous, well, that's their problem. It is the political left that seeks to change the status quo and so they are equally guilty of pushing a "morality" on others. All laws represent someone's conception of morality. The idea that you can't or shouldn't "legislate morality" is nonsense. You can't legislate anything else.

That might be the single most common sense thing I've read here in a while.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Actually, the Republican-led Congress made gay marriage a big, national issue when it passed the Defense of Marriage Act in 1996. The MA Supreme Court didn't issue it's ruling until 2004.

I agree that nearly all law is based on society's morals. But, IMO, the modern day right is pretty well known for pushing certain values (i.e., Christian values) to the exclusion of others. In that regard, the right has lost its way and has strayed too far from its "small government" roots.

I completely agree with you on the latter point, but with respect to the former point, how is any other group of people any different?

What it boils down to is that everyone is pushing for their own sense of morality to be installed and defended by the government, whether you're a right-wing Christian or a left-wing homosexual.

In the end, the majority will rule. If the majority elects leaders that enact laws they want and generally do the will of the people, tough shit for the minority.

[mheisig]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Okay this is my last post on this thread there are to many dense people who will turn it anyway they want.

1)I never said what he did was not a crime, despite that fact some dim bulbs in here think I did.

2) This is a misdemeanors crime at most. Any federal charges would be a stretch at best. The money laundering would be hard to prove seeing how he wasn't owner of the accounts the money moved to. I can't see a jury conviction on this one. The moving women across state lines thing is a law meant to stop "white" slavery. And has major jail time with it. Can anyone really say the guy deserves 10-12 years for this? Maybe if he killed one of the girls.

3) My original point remains true. This will be blown up and made into a greater deal then it was, because of party politics and media attention.

4)This is one of those "crimes" that doesn't affect anyone else except Spitzer, the hooker, and his family.(but not much more than if he just cheated)

5)Most of this victimless "crime", (ie. prostitution, most drug use, gambling, etc) are only crimes because someone is imposing their morals on someone else. (see prohibition, that worked well, as is the "war on drugs"

6) The fact this guy was a dem, doesn't matter to me I didn't think Larry Craig deserved to lose his job either. But leave to some, who wanted to turn everything I say into ,"your just mad because he is a dem" and make personal insults at me.

Another attorney with a J.D. from "Law & Order: SVU." How's it working for you?

I frankly don't have the time to address each asinine point by itself, but #5 stands out as the dumbest one here.

Every law is an imposition of morals. Murder and rape are illegal because the majority has decided it's immoral and we won't tolerate it.

Wake up.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I know you weren't specifically addressing me, but I want to make clear that I certainly don't believe that right-wingers are homophobic, xenophobic, etc.

I hope no one thought I was addressing you. As a fellow Republican (moderate republican) who's a minority I know how you roll.

[4mrusmc]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

But again sex is not illegal. Clinton's blow job may have offended you, but the majority of this country saw it as nothing more than a political based attack.(thus his 90% plus approval rating)

And you can try to twist my words on what I said about morality, but I stand by the fact that the GOP plays the morality card to appeal to the Christan conservatives, but usually these "morals" are more about fear and hate. Bush basically won in 2004 on the "issue" of gay marriage.

Hijinx buddy, I know that you think that people are piling on here but really.... Clinton never had a 90% approval rating. In fact, until Bush HE had the worst approval rating ever of any president.

I know that we talk about kool-aide and how good it tastes, but lay-off the blueberry dude. Don't let your politics blind you.

I must say that I have really enjoyed this thread. And as a male, I do apologize to the ladies of this forum who have been made to feel a bit ambushed and insulted by others of this thread.