Offer made on Chad (1st rd '08, conditional 3rd rd '09)

[RobH4413]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

You can put his numbers up there with just about anyone.

CJ is a big time WR. Anyone who says anything to the contrary just doesn't know what he's talking about.

100% on the money right there.


Smart offer by the Skins... they want to bait us into offering more, and I hope we don't. I like this offer, but anything substantially more seems unpractical.

I also like the conditional picks. Subtle differences from our past, but differences none the less.

Wish Cinci pulled the trigger on this one, who knows... it may happen before draft day.

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

If we're going to offer a 1st and a 3rd, I would prefer that the offer be made to KC first for franchised Jared Allen, then use our 2nd rounder to address WR. Chad's good, but is he Randy Moss or TO (when their heads are on straight)? I don't think so.

That depends on how you look at it.

Moss had 98 receptions to CJ 93. Moss had 1,493 yrds to CJ's 1,440 yrds, Moss had 15.2 average yrds to CJ's 15.5 average yrds, Moss had 23 TD's to CJ's 8. Depending on how you spin it you could be right or one could say Moss was the only go to guy in clutch situations on that team and CJ had to split his time with Houshamizoli (sp-LOL).

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

That depends on how you look at it.

Moss had 98 receptions to CJ 93. Moss had 1,493 yrds to CJ's 1,440 yrds, Moss had 15.2 average yrds to CJ's 15.5 average yrds, Moss had 23 TD's to CJ's 8. Depending on how you spin it you could be right or one could say Moss was the only go to guy in clutch situations on that team and CJ had to split his time with Houshamizoli (sp-LOL).

What??? Didn't Welker have 110 catches?? Didn't Stallworth do his part? I can't count how many times Welker caught passes to keep drives alive in clutch situations. Plus the major difference is one caught 23 td's and has over 100 in his career and the other one doesn't.

[Vulta121]

Smootsmack
"We're trading away one pick ONE PICK in the 2008 draft for one of the best wide receivers in the game, a position we need. We'll still have 8 more picks. Plus who's to say we can't trade back into the 3rd round next year if need be? Not to mention a couple more comp picks will probably come our way from the Reche and Macklin signings (at least one).

I think that people just aren't thinking here. They just have it ingrained in their minds that because of failed maneuvers like Lloyd and Duckett. Yet we tend to forget failed draft maneuevers like Taylor Jacobs."

Smoot you are 100% right. Talk about hitting the nail on the head. We don't have a top five pick this year so give it up who cares. We can get a guy with HOF potential (I stress the word potential). We are not selling our souls for a 1 and next years third. We can only get better with him and we become legitimate. If we get Chad, then we really are one or two guys away from the Superbowl (the Giants probably thought they were one or two away to before the season started last year, look how that turned out). Chad is 30 that is not old for receivers these days (Owens 35, Moss 31). So there is even an upside of about 4-7 years of high level play from him. If we get a guy like Manningham or anyone that falls to 21, he won't play as well as Chad. And here is the kicker he might not even be around the redskins 4-7 years. So we save in development time and get a top three receiver. Danny should go get him and up the offer if possible. What about Betts, the 1st, and the next years 2 (guaranteed)?

[EARTHQUAKE2689]

Chad Johnson in my opinion is better than TO. Yes TO is more physical but Chad's hands are better and people it is not like we are giving up the 3rd-10th overall pick, it is 21 for goodness sake. please stop acting like if this trade goes down that all hope is lost forever.

[theJBexperience]

What will it take for Mike Brown to budge?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

What will it take for Mike Brown to budge?

Probably a picture of him with a women besides his wife, assuming he's married.

[theJBexperience]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

Probably a picture of him with a women besides his wife, assuming he's married.

Seriously, is he going to test Chad and see if he'll really sit out an entire year? He's got some cajones to do that, but it would certainly teach players that they don't call the shots. I'd like to see it.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by theJBexperience

Seriously, is he going to test Chad and see if he'll really sit out an entire year? He's got some cajones to do that, but it would certainly teach players that they don't call the shots. I'd like to see it.

Marvin needs to regain control of the team. I think his latest shots at Chad are attempt to do just that. Smart move....he seemed to be on the cusp of losing the team, the fanbase, and his job.

[SkinsFanSince91]

We have 9 picks!

SKINS! If you are listening....DONT DO IT!!!

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by SkinsFanSince91

We have 9 picks!

SKINS! If you are listening....DONT DO IT!!!

Last yr we had 7 picks.....I think and 3 are gone. How did the draft help us other then Landry and Blades? I think the rest were on the practice squad. Statistically 9 picks would generate what 1-2 more players to stay on the team?

Everyone fails to realize that we won't get the best player in all the positions. As far as O-lineman go...we have a line coach that seems to work his magic with "no-names." He finds the diamonds in the rough or builds them. So as far as O-lineman I can see us waiting untill the 3rd round or later to get a O-lineman.

Defense is a different issue, but the good news is the DE/DL's are deep in this yrs draft and we can get one of those in the 2nd round. CB/S's are kinda deep also if I'm correct. We can pick one of those up in the 3rd round.

The 7th is a major crap shoot. It's funny how 7th round is a crap shoot when we get are best out of undrafted free agents. So I'm really looking forward to all the undrafted free agents to root for again this yr.

I couldn't remember his name when I posted yesterday but I was thinking of Hayer. I believe the team is happy with him replacing Jansen and He did perform well. Everyone needs to remember it was his first year also. I'm sure Bugel will coach him up this yr and he will be 100% better.

As far as "skilled" positions go though it's a crap shoot as to what you will get. Now that we have Zorn I'm not afraid of who we would pick as a QB if we did need to draft one because he has a way of building a good QB much like Bugel and his O-line. Who do we have at WR coach to build a drafted player? I hope you all are not going to say Stan Hixon. I have not been impressed with him and have felt he is a liability. Almost all young WR we draft turn into camp fodder. Either we can't seem to draft a good WR or Stan is not the guru at building a WR. My example would be Espy. No he's no number 1 but I felt he had potential. Apparently someone failed to develope him. So in a nut shell if we can't seem to develope WR's then we better be able to find one that already has been developed. ie; Williams or CJ.

My only problem with Williams is his durability. I believe someone pointed out he has been unjury prone in the past and has not put the numbers. CJ has been a staple of the Bengals and played all games for the past what 5-7 yrs. Can't say that about T.O. he gets a boo boo and he's down.

Some are comparing CJ to Hackett and this is total crap. Hackett will never be a Moss or a T.O. or a CJ. Hackett is a #2 at best and also has proven to be injury prone. Probably why Zorn said make an offer but don't go over board on him. I guess we could continue to try to get by with a bunch of #2 WR's and continue to make the play off to only have other teams continue to play us as they have. Shut down our only close #1 WR and keep everything with in 10-15 yrds.

If the trade was for a DE or DL would you jump on the same deal? What if it was for a CB or Safety? How about if it was for a O-lineman? I really wonder how many of you are against the WR position period and have your own agenda? Some of you are set for a O-lineman, or DE or DL, or Safety, or CB. No different then us arguing for a WR. I will say that I'm not looking for a WR at the #21 pick though if we are picking. I would prefer a Kicker.........just kidding. Thought I would raise some eye brows. LOL. No I'm interested in a DE/DL , a nice pash rusher to compliment Carter. However I'm also not stupid to pass up on the chance to get CJ or Williams if available. This would make the whole dynamics of this offense so much better. Who would teams cover?

I also was not impressed with how Gibbs tied Saunders hands when it came to his play calling but it also could have very much been Saunders plays. Although it's kinda hard to ague when it worked with the Rams and Chiefs.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Larry Michael is Satan:

I agree we shouldn't make the trade, but I think you're overstating your case. Chad Johnson has put up good numbers with a variety of QBs under center not named Carson Palmer. Chad is no Jerry Rice, but he's certainly among the best and most productive wideouts who are currently playing ball. As for our o-line, barring injury, we're in pretty good shape for 2008.

[Larry Michael is Satan]

[QUOTE=Sheriff Gonna Getcha;441645]Larry Michael is Satan:

I agree we shouldn't make the trade, but I think you're overstating your case. Chad Johnson has put up good numbers with a variety of QBs under center not named Carson Palmer. Chad is no Jerry Rice, but he's certainly among the best and most productive wideouts who are currently playing ball. As for our o-line barring injury, we're in pretty good shape for 2008.

Agreed, but when was the last time our O-line barred injury?
I think we need to spend multiple picks on the o-line this year.

[SmootSmack]

[QUOTE=Larry Michael is Satan;441659]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

Larry Michael is Satan:

I agree we shouldn't make the trade, but I think you're overstating your case. Chad Johnson has put up good numbers with a variety of QBs under center not named Carson Palmer. Chad is no Jerry Rice, but he's certainly among the best and most productive wideouts who are currently playing ball. As for our o-line barring injury, we're in pretty good shape for 2008.

Agreed, but when was the last time our O-line barred injury?
I think we need to spend multiple picks on the o-line this year.

Who says we can't? If we realy wanted to do we could trade our #1 for CJ and spend the next 8 picks this year all on offensive linemen.

[Larry Michael is Satan]

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;441667]

Originally Posted by Larry Michael is Satan

Who says we can't? If we realy wanted to do we could trade our #1 for CJ and spend the next 8 picks this year all on offensive linemen.

Done.