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[MTK]

Haven't we reached the point where homosexuality is a norm?

Or do you still believe it's a choice you can be cured from?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Haven't we reached the point where homosexuality is a norm?

Or do you still believe it's a choice you can be cured from?

I didn't make them. It's not my part to figure out why they're effed up. I am of the opinion that many of them were sexually abused as children, some of it's a choice, and some were born sexually retarded. I don't know? You'll have to ask God.

No, you have reached the point to where you think two perverts sodomozing each other is normal. They don't call themselves queer (AKA strange) because they think they're normal. Why should I? If you can look at Dennis Rodman and think he's normal then well, I guess we've crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

We in Virginia have made it law that we will not recognize another state's marriage licenses for two perverts. If you don't like it, don't move here.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I didn't make them. It's not my part to figure out why they're effed up. I am of the opinion that many of them were sexually abused as children, some of it's a choice, and some were born sexually retarded. I don't know? You'll have to ask God.

No, you have reached the point to where you think two perverts sodomozing each other is normal. They don't call themselves queer (AKA strange) because they think they're normal. Why should I? If you can look at Dennis Rodman and think he's normal then well, I guess we've crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

We in Virginia have made it law that we will not recognize another state's marriage licenses for two perverts. If you don't like it, don't move here.

Here Here. This whole PC wave sweeping the nation is getting out of control. So, because two gay guys want cheaper auto insurance and tax breaks, we should legally recognize them as a married couple? Sorry, No way. Marriage is and should be between a man and a woman. Nature says it works that way, and almost every religion says it is blasphemy. So we should cater to them because they are different? Sorry, No way. Lead your life the way you want, but when it comes to the general public recognizing your homo love and okaying it essencially, that is where the buck should stop. Its almost as sick as letting gays in the military............

[jdlea]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Here Here. This whole PC wave sweeping the nation is getting out of control. So, because two gay guys want cheaper auto insurance and tax breaks, we should legally recognize them as a married couple? Sorry, No way. Marriage is and should be between a man and a woman. Nature says it works that way, and almost every religion says it is blasphemy. So we should cater to them because they are different? Sorry, No way. Lead your life the way you want, but when it comes to the general public recognizing your homo love and okaying it essencially, that is where the buck should stop. Its almost as sick as letting gays in the military............

A few questions then, by "nature says it works that way" does that mean that you believe that the purpose of marriage is to produce children? What about heterosexual couples that can't conceive? Should their marriage be annulled? Or would you let it stand just because it doesn't seem threatening to you?

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by jdlea

A few questions then, by "nature says it works that way" does that mean that you believe that the purpose of marriage is to produce children? What about heterosexual couples that can't conceive? Should their marriage be annulled? Or would you let it stand just because it doesn't seem threatening to you?

Now you are picking fly shit out of pepper. And no, Im not threatened by it. But I am also not going to sit by, paying my tax dollars and having the government say that Frank and Bill have the same rights as a heterosexual couple, because we don't want to step on their toes.

You know exactly what it means, and you also know that I am right, in the sense that we were made for it to work that way. And yes, producing children is one of the most important things couples do. Procreation is a very important part of human society and marriage. And quit with the liberal spin absurd bullshit, "if a man has a vasectomy or a woman has ovarian cancer, she shouldnt be afforded the same rights as other married couples because she cannot procreate."

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Mechanix544

Here Here. This whole PC wave sweeping the nation is getting out of control. So, because two gay guys want cheaper auto insurance and tax breaks, we should legally recognize them as a married couple? Sorry, No way. Marriage is and should be between a man and a woman. Nature says it works that way, and almost every religion says it is blasphemy. So we should cater to them because they are different? Sorry, No way. Lead your life the way you want, but when it comes to the general public recognizing your homo love and okaying it essencially, that is where the buck should stop. Its almost as sick as letting gays in the military............

wow.. leave the farm much? marriage has been around a lot longer than insurance (and its breaks).. so do believe that two gay people who think that they're in love are just fooling themselves? if being gay is a choice so is being straight.. meaning you could be gay too, you just choose to like women, better go wash it off real quick..

homosexuality has been around longer than the new testament and what does religion really have to do with it? religion is personal and so is marriage.. lets impose religion on people too.. or is THAT too commie?

do you feel that every couple MUST procreate? do you mind if a heterosexual couple doesn't bear children?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I didn't make them. It's not my part to figure out why they're effed up. I am of the opinion that many of them were sexually abused as children, some of it's a choice, and some were born sexually retarded. I don't know? You'll have to ask God.

No, you have reached the point to where you think two perverts sodomozing each other is normal. They don't call themselves queer (AKA strange) because they think they're normal. Why should I? If you can look at Dennis Rodman and think he's normal then well, I guess we've crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

We in Virginia have made it law that we will not recognize another state's marriage licenses for two perverts. If you don't like it, don't move here.

First of all, it's clear you hate homosexuals, and that makes you a big jerk. They're people just like the rest of us. I take offense to you saying my gay friends are effed up, or sexually retarded. You don't know them, so **** off with that shit.

Second, let's see if you can understand this example:

If you cut too many leaves off a female plant, you can cause a hormone imbalance, which will lead to a gender change. This is a plant. Does it make sense to you that a hormone imbalance could cause homosexual behavior in humans? Could a hormone imbalance appear after birth? Maybe as a result of our heavily processed diet or poor air quality or some other unknown agent? Think about it.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by GhettoDogAllStars

First of all, it's clear you hate homosexuals, and that makes you a big jerk. They're people just like the rest of us. I take offense to you saying my gay friends are effed up, or sexually retarded. You don't know them, so **** off with that shit.

Second, let's see if you can understand this example:

If you cut too many leaves off a female plant, you can cause a hormone imbalance, which will lead to a gender change. This is a plant. Does it make sense to you that a hormone imbalance could cause homosexual behavior in humans? Could a hormone imbalance appear after birth? Maybe as a result of our heavily processed diet or poor air quality or some other unknown agent? Think about it.

So what if I don't like perverts? I could care less if you and your pervert buddies are offended. I don't care to know you or them, nor do I need a bunch of perverts around me, my friends, or our children. So **** you too.

[Trample the Elderly]

Let me ask a question. Are there homosexuals in the Omish community? I don't see the Omish men wearing dresses and holding hands with each other. I don't see the Omish starting any wars either. I think we could learn a lot from their example.

[GhettoDogAllStars]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

So what if I don't like perverts? I could care less if you and your pervert buddies are offended. I don't care to know you or them, nor do I need a bunch of perverts around me, my friends, or our children. So **** you too.

Just by calling them perverts doesn't make you any less hateful, nor does it make your hate any more justified. It's a weak tactic you use to try to strengthen your argument, because who would argue that you should have, "a bunch of perverts around you, your friends, and your children."

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Trample the Elderly

I didn't make them. It's not my part to figure out why they're effed up. I am of the opinion that many of them were sexually abused as children, some of it's a choice, and some were born sexually retarded. I don't know? You'll have to ask God.

No, you have reached the point to where you think two perverts sodomozing each other is normal. They don't call themselves queer (AKA strange) because they think they're normal. Why should I? If you can look at Dennis Rodman and think he's normal then well, I guess we've crossed over into the Twilight Zone.

We in Virginia have made it law that we will not recognize another state's marriage licenses for two perverts. If you don't like it, don't move here.

gay people are perverts the same as blacks are the n-word and so on... your stone age beliefs may actually agree with that though.. the unjustified hate of a group is pretty disgusting, still afraid you might catch the gay or something?

[GhettoDogAllStars]

I'm a heterosexual male. I never made a choice to like women. It just happened.

I have a few gay friends. They are as close to "normal" as anyone else I know.

[TheLastDon]

I think the solution to this whole thing is to take all government involvement out of marriage. Then no one will have any problem with being treated unfairly. If there is a church that recognizes gay marriage then they can get married there. Who cares? Personally, I don't think gay marriage is right, but they aren't hurting me so have at it. Everyone gets judged in the end and that's between you and God. Not between me and that person.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by TheLastDon

I think the solution to this whole thing is to take all government involvement out of marriage. Then no one will have any problem with being treated unfairly. If there is a church that recognizes gay marriage then they can get married there. Who cares? Personally, I don't think gay marriage is right, but they aren't hurting me so have at it. Everyone gets judged in the end and that's between you and God. Not between me and that person.

Taking the Federal government out of our lives, and the lives of foreigners, would solve about 90% of all of our problems.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by TheLastDon

I think the solution to this whole thing is to take all government involvement out of marriage. Then no one will have any problem with being treated unfairly. If there is a church that recognizes gay marriage then they can get married there. Who cares? Personally, I don't think gay marriage is right, but they aren't hurting me so have at it. Everyone gets judged in the end and that's between you and God. Not between me and that person.

Well see you're making this a moral argument, and thus stating marriage between a man and a woman is superior to gay and lesbian marriage. Now while that's your prerogative, and the church's for that matter, the government should not be coming to such conclusions regarding the institution of marriage. So it's nearly impossible for the government to "stay out of marriage" in order to protect the rights --the constitutional rights -- awarded to American citizens.

Just to reiterate, I don't think it's the government's role to determine what's morally acceptable and what isn't, particularly regarding marriage. If the Constitution doesn't protect that right, then who will enforce it? That's why we go to court, to test the rulings constitutionality. And in this case the judge determined that it was unconstitutional. This isn't a moral argument, it's a civil rights issue.