Problem w/ Cowboys giant screen.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

PFT reported that U2 was paying 2MM to raise the scoreboard before a concert at Cowboys Stadium so their stage can fit underneath and then lower it after the concert.

My first thought after hearing this, why on earth would U2 pay 2MM to do this... it most certainly would be cheaper to use an alternate stage setup than what they would typically use.

My second thought was, how can it possibly cost 2MM to raise and lower the thing? Thats ridiculous.

My third thought was, why isnt there a mechanical lift system in place to raise and lower the screens as needed?

And Finally, why is Jerrah being such a punk about all this? Let U2 pay 1MM to raise the thing, leave it up, and call it a day. Jerry won't have to pay for it, the NFL won't have to pay for it, U2 will save 1MM, and we won't have to worry about NFL games being adversely affected due to a stoopid decision to hang the screens only 90feet above the field.

[sandtrapjack]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

PFT reported that U2 was paying 2MM to raise the scoreboard before a concert at Cowboys Stadium so their stage can fit underneath and then lower it after the concert.

My first thought after hearing this, why on earth would U2 pay 2MM to do this... it most certainly would be cheaper to use an alternate stage setup than what they would typically use.

My second thought was, how can it possibly cost 2MM to raise and lower the thing? Thats ridiculous.

My third thought was, why isnt there a mechanical lift system in place to raise and lower the screens as needed?

And Finally, why is Jerrah being such a punk about all this? Let U2 pay 1MM to raise the thing, leave it up, and call it a day. Jerry won't have to pay for it, the NFL won't have to pay for it, U2 will save 1MM, and we won't have to worry about NFL games being adversely affected due to a stoopid decision to hang the screens only 90feet above the field.

To raise it up for the U2 concert, requires the scoreboard to be disconnected and it will be inoperable at that height. So for Jones, leaving it up at that height is simply not an option on his table.

Of course the height of a scoreboard above a stadium ranks about a 2.0 on my give-a-crapometer to be honest.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

To raise it up for the U2 concert, requires the scoreboard to be disconnected and it will be inoperable at that height. So for Jones, leaving it up at that height is simply not an option on his table.

Of course the height of a scoreboard above a stadium ranks about a 2.0 on my give-a-crapometer to be honest.

With a screen that big, i'm sure they could dedicate a portion of each side of it to a digatal, on-screen scoreboard. Personally, i'd love to see the screen get irreprably damaged by consistently getting whacked by punters.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

To raise it up for the U2 concert, requires the scoreboard to be disconnected and it will be inoperable at that height. So for Jones, leaving it up at that height is simply not an option on his table.

Of course the height of a scoreboard above a stadium ranks about a 2.0 on my give-a-crapometer to be honest.

I'm not picking on you, sandtrap, but the concept that you mentioned: if you raise the scoreboard it becomes inoperable? That is one of the dumbest things that I have ever read.

Here's why: no backup plan. It had to have occurred to someone that the screens might turn out to be too low. An intelligent person, armed with $1.2 billion, would then plan the screens so that they could be moved up, if they proved to be an obstacle.

Yet, armed with $1.2 billion, Jerry had no backup plan other than do-overs.

Putting in screens which work at only one, problematic height is pure stupidity.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I'm not picking on you, sandtrap, but the concept that you mentioned: if you raise the scoreboard it becomes inoperable? That is one of the dumbest things that I have ever read.

Here's why: no backup plan. It had to have occurred to someone that the screens might turn out to be too low. An intelligent person, armed with $1.2 billion, would then plan the screens so that they could be moved up, if they proved to be an obstacle.

Yet, armed with $1.2 billion, Jerry had no backup plan other than do-overs.

Putting in screens which work at only one, problematic height is pure stupidity.

Actually, I do understand the part about raising it making it in operable. Heck, you move your dvd player in the wrong place and all the wiring gets shot and you have to redo it. I imagine the wiring to maintain the HD image is incredibly complex, as there are xzillion different screens within it. I would imagine that they could have put incremental stopping points and pipe the wires to each of those, but I think Jerry really wanted this controversy. I also think it is set so that he has the perfect view of it from his perch, and he doesn't want to give that up by the 5-10 feet he would need to raise it. Certainly not the 25 feet U2 wants it raised.

I think more than stupid, it is just arrogant, but hey that is the Cowboy way.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Actually, I do understand the part about raising it making it in operable. Heck, you move your dvd player in the wrong place and all the wiring gets shot and you have to redo it. I imagine the wiring to maintain the HD image is incredibly complex, as there are xzillion different screens within it. I would imagine that they could have put incremental stopping points and pipe the wires to each of those, but I think Jerry really wanted this controversy. I also think it is set so that he has the perfect view of it from his perch, and he doesn't want to give that up by the 5-10 feet he would need to raise it. Certainly not the 25 feet U2 wants it raised.

I think more than stupid, it is just arrogant, but hey that is the Cowboy way.

That's because Jerry knows that if he raises his chin too high all the stitches and staples will pop and the leather mask that is his face will go flying out of his luxury box and onto the field where it will become a banana-peel like obstacle that could end up getting someone hurt. And no one wants that.

[Defensewins]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

To raise it up for the U2 concert, requires the scoreboard to be disconnected and it will be inoperable at that height. So for Jones, leaving it up at that height is simply not an option on his table.

Of course the height of a scoreboard above a stadium ranks about a 2.0 on my give-a-crapometer to be honest.

If what you are saying is true....I can not believe any multi-purpose arena/stadium would ever design and build a center scoreboard of this size that is this difficult to raise and lower? Also that it can not be operated at another height? That is extremely short sighted and stupid.
The fact that they already (in its very short existence) have to pay to raise it for a concert is proof that they need a height adjustable board in this type of business.
I am an Arena Operations Manger and our HD center board while smaller, has to be height adjustable. We have to adjust the height for every event. Our board is designed to work at any height and it can be lowered all the way down to the floor for repairs or for viewing party's of away playoff games. We could not operate if our board did not move.Wiring is not an issue at all.
Plus boards and components on these screens go out and need fairly regular maintenance and repair. They are going to have to pay huge money to rent lifts to get up there to repair it.

[ArtMonkDrillz]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

If what you are saying is true....I can not believe any multi-purpose arena/stadium would ever design and build a center scoreboard of this size that is this difficult to raise and lower? Also that it can not be operated at another height? That is extremely short sighted and stupid.
The fact that they already (in its very short existence) have to pay to raise it for a concert is proof that they need a height adjustable board in this type of business.
I am an Arena Operations Manger and our HD center board while smaller, has to be height adjustable. We have to adjust the height for every event. Our board is designed to work at any height and it can be lowered all the way down to the floor for repairs or for viewing party's of away playoff games. We could not operate if our board did not move.Wiring is not an issue at all.
Plus boards and components on these screens go out and need fairly regular maintenance and repair. They are going to have to pay huge money to rent lifts to get up there to repair it.

DAGGER!!!

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

If what you are saying is true....I can not believe any multi-purpose arena/stadium would ever design and build a center scoreboard of this size that is this difficult to raise and lower? Also that it can not be operated at another height? That is extremely short sighted and stupid.

This is Dallas...it's not the first stadium goof. The stupidity is mandated from the top in that organization.

[over the mountain]

word is that a decision on what to do about the jumbotron will be made before the next game played at dallas errr irving.

i think the link is attached to the peter king article about rookies he finds physically appealing.

should be interesting.

go skins!

[SmootSmack]

One pretty big difference between Romo and Campbell is that Romo was an undrafted free agent.

But regardless of whether Romo's a franchise QB, he is a player

[sandtrapjack]

Its Official, the scoreboard stays put.

Jerry Jones got his way. The 60-yard big screens will stay at 90 feet above the field.

Here's a press release from the NFL regarding the rules if a punt does hit the Jerrytron:

Commissioner ROGER GOODELL notified NFL clubs of a change in rules for the 2009 season relating to the video board over the field at the new Cowboys Stadium but that will also potentially apply in other situations.After consulting with the Competition Committee and NFL staff, the commissioner said the following will be in effect for all remaining preseason, regular season, and postseason games of the 2009 season:

If a ball in play strikes a video board, guide wire, sky cam, or any other object, the ball will be dead immediately, and the down will be replayed at the previous spot.

If there is not an on-field ruling that the ball struck an object, the Replay Assistant is empowered to initiate a booth review, including if the event occurs prior to the two-minute warning. If, prior to the two-minute warning, no booth review is initiated by the Replay Assistant, a coach's challenge is permitted under the customary procedures for such a challenge.

In the event the down is replayed:

(a) The game clock will be reset to the time remaining when the snap occurred.

(b) All penalties will be disregarded, except for personal fouls which will be administered prior to replaying the down.

Rule 3, Section 1 of the Official NFL Playing Rules provides for an official ruling to be implemented "in the interim between the annual rules meeting" that is "official only during the current season." This Official Ruling expires at the conclusion of the 2009 postseason.

"We will continue to address the particular circumstances in Dallas, giving full consideration to the competitive, safety and fan experience issues involved," Commissioner Goodell said. "The Cowboys have been fully cooperative as we have addressed this subject, and we will continue to work closely with the club on a longer term resolution."

I just am flabbergasted at the media hoopla surrounding this.

Everyone wrapped around 1 punt in 1 PRESEASON game by a backup punter and not even considering the other 12 punts in that same game that did NOT touch the scoreboard.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Its Official, the scoreboard stays put.

Jerry Jones got his way. The 60-yard big screens will stay at 90 feet above the field.

Here's a press release from the NFL regarding the rules if a punt does hit the Jerrytron:

Commissioner ROGER GOODELL notified NFL clubs of a change in rules for the 2009 season relating to the video board over the field at the new Cowboys Stadium but that will also potentially apply in other situations.After consulting with the Competition Committee and NFL staff, the commissioner said the following will be in effect for all remaining preseason, regular season, and postseason games of the 2009 season:

If a ball in play strikes a video board, guide wire, sky cam, or any other object, the ball will be dead immediately, and the down will be replayed at the previous spot.

If there is not an on-field ruling that the ball struck an object, the Replay Assistant is empowered to initiate a booth review, including if the event occurs prior to the two-minute warning. If, prior to the two-minute warning, no booth review is initiated by the Replay Assistant, a coach's challenge is permitted under the customary procedures for such a challenge.

In the event the down is replayed:

(a) The game clock will be reset to the time remaining when the snap occurred.

(b) All penalties will be disregarded, except for personal fouls which will be administered prior to replaying the down.

Rule 3, Section 1 of the Official NFL Playing Rules provides for an official ruling to be implemented "in the interim between the annual rules meeting" that is "official only during the current season." This Official Ruling expires at the conclusion of the 2009 postseason.

"We will continue to address the particular circumstances in Dallas, giving full consideration to the competitive, safety and fan experience issues involved," Commissioner Goodell said. "The Cowboys have been fully cooperative as we have addressed this subject, and we will continue to work closely with the club on a longer term resolution."

I just am flabbergasted at the media hoopla surrounding this.

Everyone wrapped around 1 punt in 1 PRESEASON game by a backup punter and not even considering the other 12 punts in that same game that did NOT touch the scoreboard.

1. Jones got his way FOR NOW.

2. The point isn't how many punts missed the scoreboard. The point is that stadiums should never block punts, not even once. One time is one time too many.

Given that I expect more punts to hit the screens this season, I look forward to laughing at the ongoing humiliation of the building-inept Cowboys. In fact, I pray that someone hits the screens in the Bonehead Palace and knocks them out of service.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Lotus

1. Jones got his way FOR NOW.

2. The point isn't how many punts missed the scoreboard. The point is that stadiums should never block punts, not even once. One time is one time too many.

Given that I expect more punts to hit the screens this season, I look forward to laughing at the ongoing humiliation of the building-inept Cowboys. In fact, I pray that someone hits the screens in the Bonehead Palace and knocks them out of service.

Even pretending that Jerry Jones is right about something and the punter has to hit the screen on purpose to do it...you can bet if a team has a big league against Dallas, their punter will hit the screen to stir up some league trouble for Dallas. I hope they do. This needs fixed.

For the record, I do not think the only way to hit this monstrosity is to do it intentionally.

[Skinny Tee]

Originally Posted by sandtrapjack

Its Official, the scoreboard stays put.

Jerry Jones got his way. The 60-yard big screens will stay at 90 feet above the field.

This is BS...

That scoreboard is comparable to a fan interrupting game play...and if you went to the Bears vs. Skins game in 07' you'd know how fans are dealt with when they disrupt live gameplay.

It has no business affecting ANY live game play but apparently the NFL thinks it does....completely foolish of Goodell and the NFL. I know that Jerry Jones has a lot of clout with the league so that could be a reason the league is so willing to comply with this.


There are already tons of disadvantages that come to mind just from the top of your head. The league is suppose to be there to make sure all games are fairly conducted.

How blatant does the game play disruption have to be for it to be resolved by the league?...So far the scoreboard is batting %1.000 in live game play disruptions.